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    I have been writing on OBJ. subjects ( mostly Op-Eds ) since 1968. They don't always get published but I have seen an increase in published articles ( usually from 4-10 paragraphs ) lately.
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    Found Ayn's fiction in 1968 and her non-fiction a year later. I am an original subscriber of the AR Letter back in '72
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    Providence College
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    Retired but active ( writing D-photography, Philosophy plus a ton of other hobbies )

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  1. Humans are imbued with irresistible impulses toward competition and cooperation, greed and generosity,They commonly have a passion to dominate, to display superiority and excellence, to attain distinction and honor, (and to create and to be seen as creative)-Stephen F. Williams Liberal reform in a Illliberal Regime:the creation of private property in Russia 1906-1915. Hoover Institution Press, 2006, Stanford University Pp.16 (underlining mine) So there!
  2. Since this topic seems to be over-I'll take the win and go back to sleep! Collectivist
  3. Me thinks by dropping 3,4,5 no progress would never happen!
  4. I think by eliminating #3 and you line out " When others finnally learn of the innovation" leaving #4 as "they adopt it," you will arrive at communal communism. Am I correct?
  5. Don't laugh I had almost given up that there were "real" Objectivist intellectuals in this world Collectvist
  6. Let me start with this L+UV=Pp (Labor plus use value (time it takes to make stuff) equals private property! Yes, No? Why?
  7. Well then, we share something in common......but please keep this discussion going. I haven't been this lucid in years! Collectivist
  8. Intersting.......let me reverse this....What would you #3 to fit my arguement/theory. If you put me on the spot however, I would have to answer that unless our primitive surrendered L-UV=Pp he would sacrificed to the "gang" of the tribe. Our primitive did not have the ability to form a consciousness that would inable to "reason" with some who would view his techiques or invention as worth while. The tribe would prob think this was "evil" work and an offense to god(s) and kill him not realizing the harm they did to the climb to progress. This obvious breaks the chain. That's why I want your input! Collectivist
  9. Bingo! ......keep it going! Agree, Why? disagree, Why?
  10. I don't think I am wrong on this (my basic theory) If Ayn is mad at me and throws me out of the collective again ....so be it I agree with Ayn on everything else! You however present a good case but I'll stick to my theory. As I said before I am no intellectual (actually I am a real dope!) but I must admit my curiosity has been heightened by all these postings. I admire you guys for sticking to what you beleive to be true! And by the way I was a practising Buddhist for 20 years before I saw the error in forcing mind into emptyness (nothingness)-Do you have any expirence with Buddhism? Collectivist
  11. My last post I used L+UV=Pp with an explanation.Figures it didn't post Very frustrating BTW does anyone thing this would be a good paper, if so where would you suggest I send it to Collectivist
  12. Yes, and no. Yes,Would you believe I re-read some of Locke yesterday and I see just a smiggen of a simiarity (which is normal). And no, after thinking about it I perhaps can see what you mean in Marx however "use value" can be a personal thing without being "abstract" Personal private property has no "surplus value" My head wants to say: L=Pp=UV .....man you guys are making me think/work hard! I like it....keep it coming (I think Ayn would have been proud of all posters here. (I'm no so sure about me though. I'm not an intellectual, just curious about things) Collectivist
  13. All new techniques/inventions become "common" don't they? Our primitive wants to survive so he guards his spear making process. If the tribe is threathened from other tribe it would be natural to share the T/I. After that certainly the tribe advanvancse one notch above the other tribes. Progress unitl a newer techinque or invention becomes reality! The primitive through his T/I of private property helped continued survival. Would you not do the same?
  14. Priviate property ownership proceeds from the labor necessesary to create it. In other words, if I create it, I own it. Labor creates value which creates progress (I am speaking of the creative mind in application (things like shaping spears, writing books or inventing a new type of motor- not communal labor like working corn fields or being meerly an appendage of a machine owned by another). If it is given to me as a gift freely and without conditions, again I own it. If a council gives me a problem to solve and I solve it even when the problem solved is applied by others, I still own its delivery (contractual intellectual property ownership). Our primitive may not have been able to put these processes into words but the principles therein are still valid for him. Collectivist
  15. primitive man guarded his property to the death. Yes, sharping a weapon with a new technique would arouse jealous raving of others in the tribe less adroit. Eventually over time this new techique of spear sharpeing because common place advancing the tribe one step higher than preious (food, defense more leasure ) all those things you mentioned. a long house is a communal meeting place for the tribes elders, chief etc. (keeping the sacred fire lit to keep the god(s) happy and provide warmth in council. A new technique or invention belongs to the person creating such. Does he share it (see my original post) You pose interesting and stimulating questions. It clearifies my thinking. Keep it going please Collectivist