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  1. How can we be certain to any level that an animal can not identify units? Is this just an underlying assumption or has there been a test run to verify this claim? I am asking because I am reading OPAR and Leonard Peikoff mention this with a pretty good level of certainty. Just curious about the justification.
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    Animals and Unit Identification

    I am not making the connection between they don't have language to they cannot have concepts. Is not language the way that you are referring to it strictly human?
  3. If I want to get to the top of a mountain, two possible options are available to me. I can take a helicopter or a can climb it. What is appreciations relationship to value? Does appreciation come necessarily from struggle or from something else? My end goal is to get to the top. From an emotional standpoint will I appreciate being at the top if I do so at the expense of the struggle to get there (there will be a lot of secondary accomplishments ie; muscle growth, a better understanding of climbing) or will I appreciate being at the top simply because I have accomplished my goal. In other words what role does the amount of struggle place in achieving my values? Does struggle enhance the achievement of my goals or is it negligible to the achievement of my goals? So in a another example, a person that is given enough money (given the have values to sustain it) vs a person that has earned it through hard work....
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    What is "Appreciations" relationship to "Value"

    Does that mean I should take the hardest path in every endeavor? In this scenario, all I want to do is get to the top. I will use my local gym for my fitness needs.
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    Sex and Trade

    What do people think is right or wrong about this... Husband: I want to have sex tonight Wife: No Wife: Will you run to the store for me and get some eggs. Husband: Sure but only if when I return you will have sex with me Wife: ...but I don’t feel like it... Husband: No problem, so then when you feel like it...since I am agreeing to go to the store for you I would like for you at some point to have sex with me in return.... quid pro quo... Wife: I don’t want to trade favors for sex... Husband: Why not? You can ask me to do anything... I will do it as long as you will have sex with me in return....
  6. The goal of the question is to remove bias. The scenario Mother is watching a movie where government is trying to find a boy. The boy is with a girl and they run to a “trustworthy” place. In each step of the movie electronic devices have been used to be tracked. Yet, in this trust worthy place the girl who was with the boy decided to call her uncle on a phone inside the trustworthy place. The mother claims that this is unreasonable and that everyone would know that the phones would be tapped. It was stated in response to that that it is not necessarily true that everyone would automatically know. The person that picked up the phone in the movie was a teenager. It was stated that it is Not unlikely that a teenager would pick up the phone not thinking about the consequences of the action. in order to demonstrate this the mother asked her teenage son to come in the room, to hear the scenario,and then to see how he would respond. The Son comes into the room the scenario is given and this is the question that is asked... Question A ”If you were in this same situation would you use the phone to call someone” ? tihe objection to the question by the other person was the it was leading the person to the answer. The alternate question that was given to remove bias is to ask this question instead, Question B ”If you were in this same scenario and you saw a phone who would be the first person that you would call”? Which question would be better to see how the Son would truly respond in this scenario and in order to remove any kid of bias?
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    Sex and Trade

    What makes "sex" a higher value than an other value?
  8. Should a woman who is married attend the funeral of the ex. The context. The divorce was due to disrespect and verbal abuse. After several years the ex was forgiven and the ex was amicable and not the same as they used to be. I say that this is disrespectful to the current spouse. Here is something that was said to me that I am arguing against. The point of a funeral is to pay respect to the person that passed and to honor their life. This is because they had child with that person and that is meaningful. My question is who is this benefiting. If it is benefiting the spouse that is attending the funeral in what way are they benefiting that is not in the face of their current spouse? Also does not to “pay respect to someone” assume that the respect is owed to them? If the divorce was due to disrespect what is owed to the deceased? As far as compassion goes what about simply being compassionate to the person that decided to marry you and respect you and treat you very well and not go to the funeral of your ex? What are your thoughts?
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    Going to an Ex's Funeral

    What would be the benifit to the children?
  10. How does an Objectivst look at land ownership? With the debate of Indians and native land owners. What gives a person the right to any specific land? Di they have a right to land by virtue of simply existing on it first or is there another principle involved?
  11. Does the Law of Identity contradict the existence of God?
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    Marriage, Fantasy, and Lies

    Ok, so would it be immoral for someone to have thoughts of another woman while having sex with ones spouse? To me the answer would be yes on grounds that one would be commiting fraud against ones partner and oneslef in a sense. If I was thinking only about another person while having sex with my wife yet not discosing this with her and leaving the pretense that I was thinking of her then this would be a lie. I would be lying to myself first of all because I am faking the reality that I am with another woman and not my wife and I would be lying to my spouse secondly by making her believe that I am exclusively thinking of her. This seems like this would go against the objectivist value of honesty since I would be faking reality in a sense in order to maintin a proper value of sexual fulfillmet with a partner in whom I am suposed to be in love with. What do you all think about this? I have tried to search podcasts from Leonard Peikoff and have done some searching through some Objectivist books but I can only come up with an answer that I think in principle addresses this question.
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    Marriage, Fantasy, and Lies

    Thanks for the reply, what I am wondering though is about the morality of the issue. Tara Smith says, "...a value is the which advances a persons objective well being and because only that which exists can carry positive effects on a person's well being. Only that which is real can be valuable to a person". (Ayn Rand's Normative Ethics: The VIrtous Egoist) How would this act affect my objective well being? Does it hinder the advancement of an objective well being?
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    The Law of Identity and God

    I don't understand. The claim for a theist would be the God is one out of many. Why would him being something distinct from everything else make him not God? Also, how do you justify the claim that God can't be defined? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say you simply don't know how he can be defined instead of the assertion that He can't be defined?
  15. Does anyone know where I could find a good study guide for ITOE?
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    The Rational Diet?

    Since Objectivist use life as the standard of value shouldn't what we eat reflect that life is indeed the standard of value (or ultimate value)? Can there be such a thing as a rational diet? Wouldn't the rational diet be eating only those things that promote Loire and rejecting the things things that cause death?
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    The Rational Diet?

    I figured it would be as easy as sticking to a primarily fruit and vegetable (raw as possible) with the no more than 2 servings of meat if necessary. This has been the latest medically popular trend anyway.
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    Another Ron Paul topic

    *** Mod's note: merged with an existing topic. - sN *** Why don't Objectivists like Ron Paul?
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    Forgiveness for Crime

    I don't understand the justice restored part. I wouldn't be able to undo the past. What part of reality is restored.
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    Forgiveness for Crime

    Let's say that I have been a bank robber for several years and have never been caught. Someone loaned me a book on "The Virtue of Selfishness" and I noticed that what I was doing has been immoral this whole time. What should I do? Do I turn myself in? Do I forgive myself for that action and start living a productive life? Should I try to give tha money back? What should I do?
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    Can you evaluate my arguement?

    I have a brother in law who loves doing drugs. He currently is 31 years old (jobless), married (she makes the money in the house), has a 2 year old, and they both live with his parents because they cannot afford to get a house. His family wants him to stop doing drugs because they think,for religious purposes, that that is immoral. He argues that there is nothing immoral about doing drugs. They go in circles about this and get nowhere. He says that drugs allow him to enjoy life and make thinking about life easier. I have an argument that I would like to be analyzed for its cogency that I think addresses the real issue at hand. 1. He must be honest (accept reality as a fact) 2. He must be productive (we need to create to survive) 3. By simply "enjoying life" at the exclusion of being productive one is not being honest about reality. Reality dictates that we must be productive first in order to enjoy life" To reverse the order is to evade reality by suggesting that they efect (enjoying life) is possible before the cause (being productive). 4. By living off of the income of parents, in their house, and using the money that his wife gives him on drugs to enjoy life he is not being honest (evading reality) and not being productive ("translating thought into physical form" Tara Smith) Thanks
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    Can you evaluate my arguement?

    Thank you! All of these comments and suggestions have been extremely helpful.
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    From A to B

    In terms of knowledge how does a person from the age of say 3 come to understand distance? Let's specifically say 1 mile. What would the process be in developing the concept of 1 mile?
  24. This is just a philosophical question. Don't think I am wanting to live this out. I see why other people are valuable to my survival sometimes and why it is in my interest not to take their life sometimes but why isn't it in my best interest to take the life of the poor, sick, or handicapped? Wouldn't life be better well spent without having to care for thee people either directly or indirectly. What principle makes all life as opposed to simply my life, if I so chose to live it, valuable in as much as it serves my self interesting? I mean at the point that I see that I can benefit from something more by having my neighbor dead than alive why is it not good to murder him?
  25. Has anyone read and responded to the claims on this sight. Or does anyone know of any books that respond to modern critiques of Objectivism? http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/rand.htm