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  1. Not to mention that one of the main points of Smith's economic work is in free trade and against what he called mercantilism, so it's not exactly clear how name dropping Smith is supposed to work in order to be a defense of Trump. First of all, it's not a "defense" of Trump. It's a pointer to his brand of capitalism, but I said it's not my focus now. It might become my focus if this blows up and becomes a main issue after the Dems choose a candidate. Then it might be important to figure this out, especially if the Democrat nominee also claims to be a capitalist. But if it's Sanders or Warren, I don't think it'll matter. Sanders enjoys being a socialist, and Warren isn't fooling me. If I were going to explore Trump's particular brand of capitalism, I would probably start with Smith's moral arguments for his economic theory, and compare them to Trump's arguments and policies. Also, I would note that we can only speculate how Smith would have responded to trade with socialistic and communistic nations, since he pre-dated them.
  2. The survey might have been referring to Democrats passing laws that give health benefits to illegal immigrants. California has already done this.
  3. Is your position based on assuming what goes on in the privacy of Trump's head or office? Because mine is based on what he explicitly says and does before the eyes of the world's media. I said he isn't the best spokesman for capitalism. How did that become "some sort of champion"? The survey is an example of Trump making this an issue in the election. It's not evidence for a claim I never made. I can give you more examples of him making this an issue, if you want. He did a campaign ad about it too which played on YouTube.
  4. Are you a fly on the wall of the Oval Office? You don't know what his advisors say and do in there. Trump gets advice from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress, his Cabinet, his staff, as well as non-partisan leaders in every department, including military and intelligence officers, lawyers, and diplomats. So naming the "father of capitalism" is considered "watering it down"? If you want to know the differences, read Smith and Rand. That's not really my focus here.
  5. Nevermind. It's a Rasmussen poll. They've been claiming that for over a year now. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/
  6. Why wouldn't he? The alleged deal came from an anonymous source in that article. Assuming it's true, I'm still only speculating about Trump's motives, as are you. I'd much prefer to go by his prepared statement to the U.N. and his official action in signing the Hong Kong act. Also, before that, to the press, he has repeatedly offered tacit support calling on Xi to let the protesters protest and to treat them in a humanitarian manner. That said, I'm sure there are additional tactics of international politics of which I'm ignorant. Maybe Trump didn't want to make support of Hong Kong the U.S. policy for other reasons in addition to the trade negotiations. For example, the CNN story I referenced indicated that China can now claim that the U.S. is the "black hand" behind the protesters, which might put a blight on the sincerity and integrity of the freedom fighters in the eyes of the Chinese people. It's easy for us Americans to think we know what's best for people fighting for their rights on the other side of the globe. But we aren't them. We aren't there. And such knowledge is not easily obtained. When we judge Trump on such complex issues of foreign policy, we should keep in mind that we don't have his presidential context, and he's surrounded by very smart advisors from every branch of the government. His official words and acts are not made alone or in a vacuum.
  7. Yes, I think that Trump is more in line with Adam Smith's brand of capitalism than Ayn Rand's. And he's more in line with the Founders' brand of individual rights than Rand's.
  8. No, he wouldn't have made it expressed U.S. policy. You don't know what Trump thinks privately or what he's said to Xi in private. You're using this one issue as a litmus test for his stance on individual rights and you don't even have the relevant facts.
  9. Reportedly, Trump used his support of Hong Kong as a bargaining chip. He agreed to tone down U.S. support for Hong Kong if China resumed trade talks. The talks haven't gone well, so he's now expressing support for Hong Kong. https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-xi-jinping-soften-hong-kong-criticism-trade-talks-report-2019-7
  10. Trump stood before the UN and told China to respect Hong Kong's freedom. And he recently signed a bill supporting Hong Kong human rights.
  11. An election battle is not the time to argue semantics. If one side is owning "capitalism," and the other side is owning "socialism," we should defeat the "socialists," then fight among ourselves over the ideal meaning of "capitalism." However, this depends on the Democratic nominee owning some brand of socialism. It'll work against Sanders, maybe not against Warren, Biden or Buttigieg. But we'll see how far Left the Democratic candidate has to go to secure the nomination. Tariffs are more like a tax. Welfare is a handout. Trump clearly wants to make significant cuts in spending, but he has no support from the Democrats. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-tells-aides-to-look-for-big-spending-cuts-in-second-term-seeding-confusion-about-budget-priorities/2019/07/19/3e9e9bde-a98c-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html You're missing the point. It's about Americans who are harmed by China's unfair trade policies and violation of property rights. We open our markets to them, but they don't reciprocate, which gives their companies an advantage and puts ours at a disadvantage. On top of that, they don't respect rights and steal our intellectual property.
  12. You're not trying very hard. 1. Trump cuts taxes. https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-tax-cuts-push-u-s-burden-lower-in-world-11575540004 2. Trump repeals regulations. https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/ 3. Trump regularly advocates for free and fair markets. You might disagree with his tariffs policy and trade war. But he's coming from a position of defending free markets and Americans against unfair trading partners, and there is substance to his argument. China, for example, is a horrible trading partner. Trump's brand of nationalism is not based on ethnicity or religion. It's based on a pragmatic grasp of capitalism. Also, his current trouble with impeachment, I believe, comes because of his campaign against potential corruption among Democrats like Clinton and Biden, and his dislike of foreign aid, which is another point on the side of him being more capitalist than socialist. Obviously he's not an Objectivist-type of laissez-faire capitalist. But that doesn't mean he's wholly uncapitalistic.
  13. We can judge him by his entire life and presidency. I don't accept the premise. The Democrats have plenty of genuine socialist beliefs, as do many Republicans. The survey is clearly about socialism versus capitalism. You just don't like how it's worded. For some reason you expect Trump to design a scientific survey for a fundraising campaign.
  14. Trump is a bigger ally of capitalism than the Democratic Socialists. And, like I said, if Trump makes the next election a referendum on capitalism versus socialism, then I'm not voting for socialism, no matter how much fancy wrapping paper and bows the Democrats put on socialism.
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