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They would be stupid not to go along with blackmail???????? A criminal is not entitled to "exchange" that which he has STOLEN FROM OTHERS. They would be stupid to say yes. Rewarding a thief is not an option.

Are you kidding me? A good man does not take or accept the unearned. Context is everything, but in this context it reeks of theft.

Amazingly well conceived and written article. Thank you for sharing this. Everyone in America needs to read and understand this before next November...

It seemed like that to me too! Ha! Not so?

The fact that new evidence may arise a year later than your choice is made is irrelevant. We make decisions based on the evidence at hand. If new evidence arises that shows you made the wrong choice, it was still the right choice at the time you made it. That is to say, it was the rational choice at the time.

Not the final choice we've been discussing. All leading up to it yes. Size of tile, final choice of chocolate or vanilla, choice to walk through left door or right door...no. All things being equal, the final decision that must be made, having no moral implication, is not subject to moral evaluation.

Exactly.

I agree completely. Therefore one can say that not all choices are open to moral evaluation. Same applies to chocolate or vanilla, etc...

I agree with optional, or subjective, whichever term you are most comfortable with. I think that all the moral, life furthering, choices in the re-tiling of my kitchen were made leading up to the choice of the size of tile. I don't see how a choice can have moral implications if neither choice is immoral. What am I missing here? Can you offer a different context that may make your point more obvious?

So you can never be sure you are making a rational choice, since you can always dig deeper? There is another philosophy or two that suscribe to that notion. Objectivists do not.

How can it be moral if there are no moral implications? Like I said, all other choices have been made rationally, but this is another choice, a NEW choice if you will.

Sure, logic and reason. That's a given. In my context, however, all the rational objective evaluations have been made. all that is left is the size of the tile, a purely optional/subjective choice.

I see what you mean. I think the difference would obviously be that in your context you are choosing to kill; an immoral act. In my context, you are choosing the size of a tile. My assertion you quoted above obviously needs a further qualifier, you're right about that.

Agreed. But I am specifically discussing THIS choice, in the given context, and whether or not it is a "moral" choice.

All other options were already identified and chosen rationally. All that remains is choosing the size of tile, with aforementioned criteria. That is the context. Given that context, I submit it is not a moral choice at all. I think this is a very simple question with a simple answer. I'm not sure why some people come at these things with 12 paragraphs. Not attacking or faulting you here, just making an observation. There is an obvious tendency to over analyze sometimes. I do not need any quotes from AR to know that my size of tile choice, given the context, could never be construed as immoral, therefore it is not a moral choice.

All other options were already identified and chosen rationally. All that remains is choosing the size of tile, with aforementioned criteria. That is the context. Given that context, I submit it is not a moral choice at all.

Easier to lay down...guy charging the same price for installation of either. Easier to spot...side by side on web page. Like I said, we could do this all day. Of course there are "all things equal" decisions, we all make them every day.

The choice to lay tiles was already made.

I agree with that. The choosing of the tiles down to the 2 different sizes was a moral choice, ensuring the best price, etc. The final decision to choose between the two sizes, in the "all things being equal" context, is certainly "optional" or "subjective". If neither choice is immoral, neither can be called moral. If neither choice is bad, neither can be called good. Neither wrong, neither right.

I am buying them online and they are to be delivered to my door. No need to pick or carry. We could do this all day. Context being all things equal...

If neither choice could be immoral, how could it be considered a moral choice? Based on David's previous posts, I'm not sure he would agree!

I am going to lay some new tile on my kitchen floor. The tile I like comes in two sizes, one a little larger than the other. They both come in the same material, color, etc. Both would cost the same amount of money. I like the finished look of both sizes equally. Choosing one size over the other could be immoral?

Hear hear! I think the Drug Cartels do deserve a mention in there somewhere as well, though...

You have rights whether they are protected or not. Animals don't have rights because they cannot recognize rights. The Founders of our Nation were very careful to design our Constitutional Republic in such a way that we would not see history repeat itself in America. It is up to us to retain that foundation to ensure our freedom. Don't relinquish your guns, but don't go flipping off the safety switch just yet, Bob. Make no mistake, Israel still exists because of the USA, and our nukes. Let the Mideast blow up? It'll take the world economy, and ours, with it...whether we are dependent on oil or not. Don't mind me, Bob, I'm just sittin' around philosophizin'...

Isn't this a common usage of the word? sub·jec·tive   /səbˈdʒɛktɪv/ Show Spelled[suhb-jek-tiv] Show IPA –adjective 1.existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective). 2.pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation. 3.placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric. 4.Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself. 5.relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience. 6.pertaining to the subject or substance in which attributes inhere; essential. 7.Grammar. a.pertaining to or constituting the subject of a sentence. b.(in English and certain other languages) noting a case specialized for that use, as He in He hit the ball. c.similar to such a case in meaning. Compare nominative. 8.Obsolete. characteristic of a political subject; submissive.