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As of late, most conversations about politics have led me to believe there is something severely wrong in the way people think about politics. Most conversations involve two or more people who have spent hours and hours reading material that argues for their narrative or policy. These websites, books, and documentaries present facts and arguments that support their ideas. After having read the material of various groups I have found that a lot of this propaganda is actually very convincing. What I mean by this is not that they are right, but that I could imagine myself writing a character in a novel with those beliefs who was able to represent those beliefs and still seem reasonable. It seems very easy for someone to become convinced of a narrative, and have no idea that there narrative could be wrong. It seems like people are just telling themselves stories and using whatever "information" they get a hold of to fit into their narrative. You may think that the easy response is "well show them counter examples that prove their theory wrong". Somehow this doesn't work though. When people are shown contradictory information, they usually do one of two things. They readjust the narrative without rejecting the original premise or fundamental ideas, or they demonstrate a way in which that information is irrelevant or consistent to that narrative. This makes arguments about politics seem little more than arguments about theology. This has me thinking that I am susceptible to the same bias, While I have a firm belief in some basic political ideas, it seems that mostly what I have are hunches, stories and biases. Mises pointed out this problem in his works Human Action and Theory and History. He argued that what most people would do is that if the data did not correlate with the success of their policy they would just argue that their policy was working, but that other factors caused the data not to change in the correct direction. Making debates about political philosophy pointless. Mises responded to this problem by forming a deductive philosophy that defended capitalism through a rationalism and subjectivism. However Mises really only made an economics system, and deducing political ideas from his works seems unreasonable. I think that his response to this problem and the way Libertarians have used his work is one of the contributing factors to their ideology today. tl:dr Hypothetical Question: If someone brings up Israel and condemns their country for being a racist terror state, do I need to be knowledgeable to correct them and what exactly do I need to know to show that they are wrong?
Don't know if there is another thread on this or not, since I couldn't find it, but as it turns out, Obama's birth certificate **was** faked, as testified by his lawyer when he was denied being put on the Presidential ballot because he couldn't prove he was a natural born citizen. I mean, if that don't beat all...he lied about it being his real birth certificate in front of the entire world, and sent the fake document all of the world via the internet.When it was rumored and nearly proven that it was a fake, he continued to lie about that! And now that he has been caught dead out in the lie, he's asserting that he was completely innocent since he didn't create the fake document. He needs to be impeached and thrown in jail for creating a fake legal document, but the only people that can do anything about it are Congress; and so long as the Senate is controlled by Democrats -- who are in favor of his policies -- they will not take action to impeach him or to throw out his bills due to him being an invalid President. The issue of whether or not a President must be a natural born citizen may well be open to debate, but it is in the Constitution and it was a way the Founders had of protecting the American people by having Presidents who would understand American freedom by having been born and raised in the USA. I am so angry at this total lie perpetrated onto the American people that really, when you come right down to it would require a string of curse words that would curl the hair of a sailor -- but I have decided to be polite to the readers of this forum.