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(09:17:41 PM) farorefase: OBJECTIVISM?

(09:17:49 PM) farorefase: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

(09:18:23 PM) Kintaro: What is wrong with Objectivism?

I run into this shit all the time. It makes me quite angry.

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(09:17:41 PM) farorefase: OBJECTIVISM?

(09:17:49 PM) farorefase: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

(09:18:23 PM) Kintaro: What is wrong with Objectivism?

I run into this shit all the time. It makes me quite angry.

Are you mentally stable?

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(09:17:41 PM) farorefase: OBJECTIVISM?

(09:17:49 PM) farorefase: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

(09:18:23 PM) Kintaro: What is wrong with Objectivism?

(09:20:33 PM) Kintaro: ...

(09:20:34 PM) Kintaro: ?

(09:22:39 PM) farorefase: Objectivism is for psuedo-intellectuals and Ayn Rand is a psuedo-philosopher

(09:22:53 PM) farorefase: Objectivism is a half-baked rehash of nihlism invented by capitalists

(09:23:11 PM) farorefase: To justify their business practices, but also denounce anybody assassinating their pig asses

(09:23:55 PM) Kintaro: Nhilism?

(09:23:59 PM) Kintaro: er

(09:24:11 PM) Kintaro: its completely against all nihlism

(09:25:24 PM) Kintaro: in fact it all starts with "existence exists"

(09:25:54 PM) farorefase: lol

They're virtually the same

Nihlism - You can do whatever you want

(09:26:03 PM) farorefase: Objectivism - Serve your own interest (and thus you can do whatever you want)

(09:26:11 PM) farorefase: Nihlism is not about existence not being a fact

(09:26:20 PM) farorefase: Nihlism is about the rejection of any form of morality

(09:26:29 PM) Kintaro: bzzt wrong on objectivism

(09:26:36 PM) Kintaro: its not "do whatever you want"

(09:26:50 PM) Kintaro: its that you should only serve yourself, that you shouldn't be ruled

(09:27:02 PM) Kintaro: and that you shouldn't rule others

(09:27:18 PM) farorefase: which is doing whatever you want

(09:27:25 PM) farorefase: If you're serving yourself

You're doing what you want

(09:27:26 PM) Kintaro: so, thus you can do whatever you want that doesnt effect others, which isnt doing whatever you want

(09:27:32 PM) Kintaro: and so

(09:27:41 PM) Kintaro: whats wrong with doing what you want if it doesnt effect others?

(09:28:43 PM) farorefase: It's a bad and contradictory philosophy that doesn't even know what it is because it's presented through terribly written fiction

(09:29:02 PM) farorefase: It was made for capitalist pigs because Ayn Rand was still raged at communism, even though she's never lived under a true communism

(09:29:10 PM) Kintaro: hahaha

(09:29:28 PM) farorefase: And Ayn Rand only liked capitalism because she got rich off of her shitty books

And had a cult fanbase

(09:29:58 PM) Kintaro: She liked it before then

(09:30:01 PM) Kintaro: clearly

(09:30:02 PM) Kintaro: anyway

(09:30:02 PM) farorefase: In the end though she was nothing more than a minor footnote on history with an ego the size of the moon

Who will be forgotten soon enough

(09:30:15 PM) farorefase: And relegated to the same position that we relegate to obscure greek philosophers today

(09:30:17 PM) Kintaro: these are all ad homiems

(09:30:33 PM) Kintaro: im spelling everything wrong today

(09:31:11 PM) farorefase: she was living in a totalitarian state which claimed to be communist

Apparently she's too stupid to know the difference

(09:31:26 PM) Kintaro: however, simple communism is based on a false moral principle no matter how it is implemented, no matter how "true" it gets, that man exists to provide others

(09:31:36 PM) Kintaro: and there is little difference in practise

(09:31:51 PM) Kintaro: she lived in a socialist state, and called it communist, would be how id put it

(09:32:01 PM) Kintaro: it was a socialist state by any political science

(09:32:39 PM) Kintaro: Communism is a mysticism that to escape power, we need to have a body with absolute power over us as if they have some special wisdom others don't.

(09:33:06 PM) Kintaro: Any collective is slavery.

(09:33:14 PM) farorefase: they're ad hominems because objectivism is all about Ayn Rand

It's made entirely to support her ego

(09:33:14 PM) farorefase: She demands entire subservience to her opinions

(09:34:04 PM) farorefase: Socialist? you don't even know what that means if you think it was socialist

(09:34:06 PM) farorefase: it was a totalitarian regime

(09:34:32 PM) Kintaro: Which represented state ownership, socialism

This is a waste of time arguing. My mental stability is disputed by professionals.

Edited by John Kintaro

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What is the point of this thread?

One can google up tonnes of such things that people say about Objectivism. Why post it to the forum undigested? If there's some aspect that you want to highlight, or some novel criticism, or some criticism you don't know how to rebut, then it'd be useful to post it. OTOH, posting a diatribe like that with no comment invites members to read, thinking that there is a point it it.

Edited by softwareNerd

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Why post it to the forum undigested? If there's some aspect that you want to highlight, or some novel criticism, or some criticism you don't know how to rebut, then it'd be useful to post it. OTOH, posting a diatribe like that with no comment invites members to read, thinking that there is a point it it.

I agree.

Also, don't waste your time. You may as well try to convince Kirk Cameron that God doesn't exist.

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Geez you people are harsh. Give the guy a break, so what if he wants to post something that has no point. Whose going to stop him? surely not you

What is a person like that doing on here anyway. I dont know what people get out of going on a website and disagreeing and argueing with members about what they think is wrong, its a waste of their time.

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Give the guy a break, so what if he wants to post something that has no point.
Here's what. OO is designed to be a place for an exchange of value among Objectivists, with special attention paid to intellectual value. "Just do it" is not a rational philosophy, so unlike the typical punkass chatroom or b0g, we actually expect a real contribution from posts, something of value.

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I wouldn't be sure what to highlight, but is it just my bad luck or is it absolutely common to run into people this stupid?

They are called trolls. If you block them the moment you discover them they will stop coming. You should have stopped him at that RAAAAAGE comment he made.

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(09:27:26 PM) Kintaro: so, thus you can do whatever you want that doesnt effect others, which isnt doing whatever you want

(09:27:32 PM) Kintaro: and so

(09:27:41 PM) Kintaro: whats wrong with doing what you want if it doesnt effect others?

There are plenty of things you should not do, which do not affect other people. Wanting to smoke crack with hookers is not a valid aim in life. If Objectivism simply said do whatever you want so long as it doesn't affect others, it would be nihilistic. Howard Roark would be morally no different than a crack head; both are doing what they want to do, without harming other people. In fact, Objectivism proves that "doing whatever you want" is not egoistic. Being an egoist means following certain principles, and often times finding out that your desires are not valid.

Maybe you know all that. But if you were arguing with a sane person (as opposed to someone who thinks Russia was fake communist (wtf!?)), you sunk yourself when you conceded his characterization of Objectivism as "do what you want."

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I once wasted my time arguing with a kid about communism. yes I know all about their stupid religion that says Russia was not really communist. they say that because communism failed there so they want to give it another chance by saying "it was totalitarian not communism"

just use the OO chatroom, you will keep your sanity. what do you care if some crackheads belive that the flying spaghetti monster is not really nonsense or nineleven was an inside job or the moon is really made of green cheese or communism is an ideal society, its all the same crap

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I dont know what people get out of going on a website and disagreeing and argueing with members about what they think is wrong, its a waste of their time.

Having a discussion with a rational person who is open to hearing evidence and is willing to use logic to evaluate that evidence can be very productive. Having an argument with a delusional fool is a big time waster.

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