01503 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Need lots of major contradictions in the Bible. I know they're there. What are the best ones? Best meaning "useful for arguing against the validity of the Bible with". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The Old Testament or the New? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) The Old Testament or the New? Both. EDIT: Although preferably, the new. This Jesus guy needs to go DOWN. Edited September 30, 2008 by NickS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOdden Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Huemer's webpage has a bunch of juicies like these: John 5:31 If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. John 8:14 Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid. Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.” Exodus 33:11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 There is a book by Isaac Asimov titled "In The Beginning". It's been a long time since I've read it, but what he does is put The Book of Genesis up against the light of science. You might want to look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgoist Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The central character in the book, Yahwe, is a metaphysical impossibility. You can reject the whole book from that one simple fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The central character in the book, Yahwe, is a metaphysical impossibility. You can reject the whole book from that one simple fact. I know that, but I also have a hard time explaining exactly HOW it is such an impossibility. Anyone care to help me there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Perhaps this will help? No one lives by these laws (and let's hope they don't start.) If this doesn't illustrate their hypocrisy, I don't know what does... http://thebricktestament.com/the_law/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 One of the most glaring contradictions in the Bible is the idea that an all-knowing God somehow didnt notice that serpent slinking around The Garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) I tried making a list several years ago but gave up after 15 or so pages, there were too many to count. Attached is that list. contradictions.htm Some examples: Obvious contradictions: How many drew swords? 2 Samuel says: 800,000 in Israel; 500,000 in Judah 24:9Joab gave up the sum of the numbering of the people to the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men who drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. 1 Chronicles says: 1,100,000 in Israel; 470,000 in Judah 21:5Joab gave up the sum of the numbering of the people to David. All those of Israel were one million one hundred thousand men who drew sword: and in Judah were four hundred seventy thousand men who drew sword. 2 Chronicles 9:25 Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses. Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horses, which he kept in the chariot cities and also with him in Jerusalem. 1 Kings 4:26 Solomon had 40,000 stalls for horses. Solomon had forty thousand stalls for chariot horses, and twelve thousand horses. 1 Samuel 21:1-6 Ahimalech was high priest when David ate the bread. Mark 2:26 Abiathar was high priest when David ate the bread. (bible.org acknowledges this contradiction) Contradictory orders: Exodus 20:14 God prohibits adultery "You shall not commit adultery. Hosea 1:2 God instructs Hosea to take a wife of harlotry When the LORD began to speak through Hosea, the LORD said to him, "Go, take to yourself an adulterous wife and children of unfaithfulness, because the land is guilty of the vilest adultery in departing from the LORD." Edited October 1, 2008 by brian0918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenure Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 One of the most glaring contradictions in the Bible is the idea that an all-knowing God somehow didnt notice that serpent slinking around The Garden. On that note.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Wouldn't it be easier to find the five or six statements that don't contradict any of the rest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Only if there are that many. In all seriousness, I don't think you can count God commanding someone to violate a commandment as a contradiction. Or God himself not living up to his own commandments. (See Brian0918's last example.) Because the commandments aren't primary, God's will is primary, in their view. If God wants you to break something other people have been commanded to do, well, God made the rules, he can break them or make exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Only if there are that many. Sorry, I meant to say one or two. If God wants you to break something other people have been commanded to do, well, God made the rules, he can break them or make exceptions. And if God is truly omnipotent, then he can be A and non-A. Otherwise why even bother being God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippa1 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Okay, here's one to think about: Jahweh, the Hebrew word for God, translates "I am what I am." Implicit in that simple statement are the three axioms of Objectivism. (edit typo) Edited October 2, 2008 by agrippa1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Oh, yeah, that would have been from the part of Exodus where Moses sees "the Glory of God" after being told he never would be allowed to. God made the rules, he can break them, but it sure seems like he's a bit of a flake, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOdden Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Okay, here's one to think about: Jahweh, the Hebrew word for God, translates "I am what I am." Or, "I yam what I yam". Popeye is God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinDW78 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Popeye is God And Robin Williams did a fine job portraying God, he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Or, "I yam what I yam". Popeye is God. Makes sense. Furhter Olive Oil has got to be a virgin. I mean, she couldn't possibly survive an intimate encoutner with any man. Maybe there's something to this Christianity business after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eficazpensador Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) If god is all powerful, he can make an immovable object. If god is all powerful, he can move any object. Edited October 2, 2008 by eficazpensador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 I like this quote: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellstrife Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 You can't argue with religious people, period. I went to an Opus Dei middle school, I know it very well. They aren't rational people because they don't view the world rationally. You're just wasting your time trying to compel her with rational arguments. But, probably the biggest contradiction -- at least to me -- is that Jesus refers to God as the source of love and other such nonsense and yet Jesus also makes it very clear, especially in his speech about Gehenna, that if you live for yourself and not for God you'll burn forever in eternal torment. Now, I'm eighteen and don't have much experience with love, but it seems to me that you don't cook somebody you love. Just an observation. By the way, I'm a new member. My name's Kevin and I've only been an Objectivist for about a year, so pardon me for any incredibly stupid lapses in reason. They don't teach you this "reason" stuff in school, I'm still getting used to thinking. Look forward to participating and learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 I like this quote: Epicurus The last bit was not from Epicurus but came some time later. The wording you used for the first 3 parts comes from Hume in Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (1779). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The last bit was not from Epicurus but came some time later. The wording you used for the first 3 parts comes from Hume in Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (1779). Well, that's what the internet had told me. Not that it is infallible or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The last bit was not from Epicurus but came some time later. The wording you used for the first 3 parts comes from Hume in Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (1779). Interestingly, this quote appeared on the index page a couple of days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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