Space Patroller Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) What few persons realize is that much of the leftist agenda comes from Wall Street as well as Washington. 1) Binny & Smith a few years back put out a set of Crayola crayons of different "skin tones" called "Multi-cultural" 2) Verizon includes in it's bills something called Extra, a kind of newsletter. Some four years ago, it anounced it was supooritng financially "multi-culturalism" 3) GM has been a big supporter of socialized medicine in order to escape the financial consequences of some of the mediclal "bennies" that it put in it's contracts. 4) If you look at the support for the health and safty naziism that we are being served up daily you find the insurance companies in it up to their necks. If this is what I can remember of what I've seen, and the Third Rule of Psychohistory is that you only see 10% of what's going on, do you really want to think of the enormity of the betrayal? In fact the biggest enemies of Capitalism have not been the two-bit cafeteria socialists who have less credibility than the Easter Bunny or the parrots they imitate. It's been the members of the Fortune 500. They have the bucks to back the bullshit so I don't know who's worse. But I do know who the traitors are. One thing Rep Daffy Duck (D) MA can't do is stab me in the back. I'm beginning to think that we should simply find ways to benefit from this dog and pony show since they all suck and would sell us out at warp 10. Edited April 7, 2009 by Space Patroller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 What few persons realize is that much of the leftist agenda comes from Wall Street as well as Washington. 1) Binny & Smith a few years back put out a set of Crayola crayons of different "skin tones" called "Multi-cultural" 2) Verizon includes in it's bills something called Extra, a kind of newsletter. Some four years ago, it anounced it was supooritng financially "multi-culturalism" 3) GM has been a big supporter of socialized medicine in order to escape the financial consequences of some of the mediclal "bennies" that it put in it's contracts. 4) If you look at the support for the health and safty naziism that we are being served up daily you find the insurance companies in it up to their necks. If this is what I can remember of what I've seen, and the Third Rule of Psychohistory is that you only see 10% of what's going on, do you really want to think of the enormity of the betrayal? In fact the biggest enemies of Capitalism have not been the two-bit cafeteria socialists who have less credibility than the Easter Bunny or the parrots they imitate. It's been the members of the Fortune 500. They have the bucks to back the bullshit so I don't know who's worse. But I do know who the traitors are. One thing Rep Daffy Duck (D) MA can't do is stab me in the back. I'm beginning to think that we should simply find ways to benefit from this dog and pony show since they all suck and would sell us out at warp 10. How about have sold us out at warp 10? This didn't even take into account how Big Business has been promoting the Green slime. and this is the "honor roll" of business like car companies such as GM, and General Electric and IMB taling about a "smart planet" Maybe some day, they'll go on strike. Ya think? It'd be a great idea for a science fiction book although, given what I see in real life, it would be more like social fantasy. I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Al Qaeda. They thought that the Twin Towers, being the World Trade Center, read Big Business on a global scale, was a "symbol of American capitlaism". They missed the mark by almost a century. Poor deluded madmen. Actually, they're not that mad. It's just that this is what you get when you mix mysticism and integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utabintarbo Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 ... It's just that this is what you get when you mix mysticism and integrity Mysticism + integrity = null value. Unfortunately, it seems the Orren Boyle's far outnumber the Hank Rearden's in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendallJ Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 If this is what I can remember of what I've seen, and the Third Rule of Psychohistory is that you only see 10% of what's going on, do you really want to think of the enormity of the betrayal? In fact the biggest enemies of Capitalism have not been the two-bit cafeteria socialists who have less credibility than the Easter Bunny or the parrots they imitate. It's been the members of the Fortune 500. They have the bucks to back the bullshit so I don't know who's worse. But I do know who the traitors are. One thing Rep Daffy Duck (D) MA can't do is stab me in the back. I'm beginning to think that we should simply find ways to benefit from this dog and pony show since they all suck and would sell us out at warp 10. I hate to put this bluntly, but this is one of the most unintellible pieces of text I've seen in a while. Just what the hell are you trying to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted April 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I hate to put this bluntly, but this is one of the most unintellible pieces of text I've seen in a while. Just what the hell are you trying to say? Tey reading it in the context of the enumerated material. Failing thattry expanding either your horizons or your mentality The person before you seemed not to have a problem. with my main propositions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendallJ Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Tey reading it in the context of the enumerated material. Failing thattry expanding either your horizons or your mentality The person before you seemed not to have a problem. with my main propositions Uh, yeah, no thanks. 127 views. 1 comment, and you think you're being clear, do you? It's not the context or my mentality. It's the writing. It's so chock full of cliche's, idioms, and jargony popular speech that there isn't a clear sentence in the whole thing. It's an embarrasement. Reminds me of the old "Neo-Tech" movement. Really, try rewriting it to actually make a clear statement. If this response is all you seem to want to do to communicate better, then I think I have a good sense of where to file you mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utabintarbo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Tey reading it in the context of the enumerated material. Failing thattry expanding either your horizons or your mentality The person before you seemed not to have a problem. with my main propositions The person before Kendall had a problem, but seemed to translate it properly. Kendall has a point - your writing style seems to be of one who is trying to be clever rather than clear. Additionally, your penchant for typos and strange grammar also tend to detract from your message. If you are trying to impart a view, all that "gilding of the lily" is unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Moving from style to substance, yes, the majority of America's great corporations are indeed supporters of all the postmodern politically correct stuff. This is not surprising, since postmodernism is the dominant philosophy. Businessmen and corporate leaders are not originators of philosophical ideas; they get their ideas from the rest of the culture (with the rare exception of the businessman who also happens to be a philosopher). You are right that Representative Daffy Duck (D) from MA can't stab you in the back, if by that you mean that politicians have no power over people without the support of producers. If all the lobbying money and political donations went to supporting capitalism, people like Obama and Barney Frank would not even be able to run, let alone be elected. But businessmen have yet to be taught that the way to succeed in business is through liberty and productivity, not political pull--which is why they support all the wrong ideas. If you think these are "things you weren't told at Objectivist school," you weren't paying attention during class! Ayn Rand herself has said (not sure where--I think I heard it quoted by Gary Hull) that American capitalism would be great, if you could only get rid of the damn capitalists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussK Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 If you think these are "things you weren't told at Objectivist school," you weren't paying attention during class! Ayn Rand herself has said (not sure where--I think I heard it quoted by Gary Hull) that American capitalism would be great, if you could only get rid of the damn capitalists! There's also the work of AS, which is full of such examples, but then again, I only got a B- in the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) HURRAY!! Somebody fianlly gets it! Moving from style to substance, yes, the majority of America's great corporations are indeed supporters of all the postmodern politically correct stuff. This is not surprising, since postmodernism is the dominant philosophy. Businessmen and corporate leaders are not originators of philosophical ideas; they get their ideas from the rest of the culture (with the rare exception of the businessman who also happens to be a philosopher). You are right that Representative Daffy Duck (D) from MA can't stab you in the back, if by that you mean that politicians have no power over people without the support of producers. If all the lobbying money and political donations went to supporting capitalism, people like Obama and Barney Frank would not even be able to run, let alone be elected. But businessmen have yet to be taught that the way to succeed in business is through liberty and productivity, not political pull--which is why they support all the wrong ideas. If you think these are "things you weren't told at Objectivist school," you weren't paying attention during class! Ayn Rand herself has said (not sure where--I think I heard it quoted by Gary Hull) that American capitalism would be great, if you could only get rid of the damn capitalists! The remark about "Objectivist School" is a reference back to the title "Big Business: America's Persecuting Minoity" . It is a take on the Essay in CtUI "Big Business: America's Persecuted Minority". Objectivists have been too cloase to the Wall Street establishment; too ready to defend them over the years for my liking, Probably because that is the presumed home of "American capitlaism" while, in fact very many of them have gone over to the other side. when Greenspan started writng for Barron's, I was a bit hesitant: Torn between thw opposing thoughts: Was he going over or was business starting to see where its interests were? That was in no way, shape or form meant literally. What I meant by Daffy Duck (D) MA (used here as the archtype of the collectivist/statists and party hacks) "can't stab me in the back" is that I've got my eye on him (them) and am watching them like a cat. The Big Business establishment purports to be, gives the appearance of, or is ID'ed with capitlaism and is therefore, ostensibly, worth our defending and then they go about promoting the ideals and actions of the other side. There is a remark dating back to at least the 19l70's: "The trouble with socialism is socialism; the trouble with capitalism is capitalists" Judging from what Rand wrote in "The Pull Peddlers", I conclude that she was in favor of banning lobbying entirely. Also see http://cockpit.spacepatrol.us/07nov.html Thanks for putting it back on topic. Edited April 14, 2009 by Space Patroller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 The person before Kendall had a problem, but seemed to translate it properly. Kendall has a point - your writing style seems to be of one who is trying to be clever rather than clear. Additionally, your penchant for typos and strange grammar also tend to detract from your message. If you are trying to impart a view, all that "gilding of the lily" is unnecessary. what do you mean "trying to be clever"? Since when do I have to try to be clever? What I meant was that he got the point, as deomonstrated by his reference to Orren Boyle types. The purpose of content is to make the point. The purpose of style is to make it personal and/or put some oomf behind it to drive it home with force and vigor. Otherwise it becomes plodding and eyes glaze over. Besides which, persons would be surprised at the affinity between Objectivism and "old 'neo-tech'", which upon first encounter sounds a bit oxymoronic and I didn't know that this had a name but I like it. Many of the (then) hippest ideas in sci-fi, like the Xylophone and "ray screen" mirage generator, which were very au curant in SF, show up in AS and the archetechtural style in THE FOUNTAINHEAD is futuristic. That and some of the allusions Rand made in her essays lead me to believe that she was one of us at heart. Who can argue against the idea that ANTHEM would be classic post-apocolyptic material today? I'd bet dollars to Denebian donuts that the golden age of Objectivism (c1965 to 1978) was fuelled to the greatest extend by the "space cadets"* of the 19i50's who would be in the 19-25 age bracket in '65. You have no idea what a phenom the "spacement" were. I was priveleged to be part of that http://spacepatrol.us/firstpage.html Sondra Marshak of STAR TREK: THE NEW VOYAGES was one of us. *Actually, there are 3 kinds of us based on which TV show you were a biggest fan of . "Space cadets" were Tom Corbett fans, "Video Rangers/Space Rangers" were the devotees of Captain Video and Rocky Jones; Space Rangers. the Space Patrol fans are simply "Space Patrollers" although we were pretty much fans of all of them. The big rivalry was between us and the cowboys whom we regarded as representing the past while we were the future. If you get the chance, look on the cover of AMERICAN WEEKLY from very late 1952 or early 1953. It says it all. This later became a close affinity since we were all champions of the same ideas of moral absolutusm and what started as a celibration of the Old West acquired, through the good offices of Jan Merlinn, a large contingent of space cadets and is called the Williamsburg Western Film Festival and Solar Guard Cadet Grand Reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenure Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'll say it again, lay off the booze, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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