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Boris Rarden

Partner for Galts Gulch (cheap remote land)

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Hi,

There is a lot of cheap land on sale today. You can get 40 acres for under 20,000$, or 2 acres for under $5000. Just search for "land" on eBay! Here's one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oregon-Mountain-Land-48-acres-Klamath-County?item=320874231090&cmd=ViewItem

However, the land at such low prices will be far from a big city (1 day-s drive). If I buy such land, I wouldn't be able to be there on "weekends", but it will be a month a year type of thing. On this land I could build a factory that produces a product. I could build the DIY machines according to http://opensourceecology.org/

Eventually, whatever I do build on that land will have a value, and the product I make could sell to make profit.

Perhaps, if it is successful, we could attract more people, and slowly grow a little factory town.

Alternatively, we can organize a base-camp once a year to bring objectivists together, and/or hobbyist to build DIY stuff.

We won't be able to absolutely hide ourselves from the "moochers" and the "looters", but the remoteness will help.

What I am looking for:

- someone who wants to have a physical sandbox to be creative in. (The physical analog of what a computer provides to hobby programmers).

- someone to develop the plan with of where to buy the land startegically, and the options what to do with it.

- design it so that it is not a burden but free of insane costs (example: if there is a high property tax, it should be split among enough members so that it is not hard to pay).

Boris

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I think you would need to choose an area first and then find people within a reasonable distance who would like to participate. I'm in Colorado so Oregon's a little far for it to make sense to me. Likely I wouldn't want to drive for 3 days to build and visit a yurt on cheap land when I could do that a couple hours outside of Denver. Same with the factory building. I have a good deal of construction background but building a "factory" doesn't tell me enough to know whether it is something that would appeal to me or that I could contribute to in any meaningful way. Let alone whether it is likely to succeed or be worth investing in. So, basically, I recommend getting more specific with your idea so that it can be critiqued and be less floaty.

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Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.

Take a look at the list of machines:

http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php

One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.

I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.

Boris

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Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.

Take a look at the list of machines:

http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php

One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.

I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.

Boris

Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.

Take a look at the list of machines:

http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php

One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.

I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.

Boris

I've seen their stuff. Their neat ideas but some strike me as a little redundant. What I am wondering though is what you are hoping to accomplish. To build something to sell? To build those machines to sell? Just to have a cheap vacation home where you can play with big legos? What's the goal?

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I think my immediate goal is to have a sandbox playground, as a stepping stone. I don't own any land on which I can be Francisco to make a waterwheel. I can only do that now in a virtual world of computers. Best thing is to start tinkering with something and call it a hobby, and the unique ideas will follow. I'm sure that I will stumble on something that I could sell. The open-source hardware project and Fab Lab concept is a way to learn new skills that will enable creativity down the road.

I found really cheap land right across the USA border, which is convenient for me since I live in Vancouver, Canada. So I will buy it there and will have no problem to commute. I am planning to buy a cargo container ($3000) inside which I will have the workshop, and which I will lock when I am away. The biggest issue is how to protect myself from theft, hence the cargo container. I am also going to install hidden GPS trackers in all my equipment.

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