senelstun Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Hey folks, I am pleased to be joining your forum today, and I come with an agenda. Here is youtube video that I would like some of you hard hitting objectivists to weigh into as the voting seems to give the wrong impression. I hate when it looks like we're so badly outnumbered by stupid. Rob PS. I'm not sure how kosher this is but it seems to me it has to be done, please have a look at vote/rate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairnet Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) I don't think I can commit to watching this. I would however like to point out something. The far left loves to take whatever currenty events are happening and turn them into a sign that the system is failing. If the internet were around in the 1960s, I can imagine a radical leftists saying something similar. Corporations rule everything, people are brainwashed, and we are on the brink of sociological, ecological, and economic disaster. We will soon all be living in a william gibson novel. Well here is the thing. They have been saying this for 200 years and things have basically improved. http://www.philosoph...2012-12-30.html http://www.ted.com/t...f_violence.html http://mises.org/com...ms/t/15824.aspx Yes, the United States is a plutocracy. Corporations, along with other interest groups, form and support voting blocks that enhance their business practices. This isn't new. This was the intention of some our founding fathers. To be honest though, the plutocratic system is in power for a reason. It actually works a lot better than what these hippies can imagine. This country has real problems, like the drug war and the abuse of sex workers. This video is just irresponsible. I am not threatened by this. I hope they follow in the footsteps of Christian Anarchists, so they can become irrelevant and starved. I feel like I have watched this movie before, because, in general, most leftist movies do the same thing. They quote pundits and idealogs, and then they flash headlines (wihtout context or followup). This video reminds me a lot of Zeitgeist actually, although Zeitgeist advocated technocratic communism (Star Trek) , and this is more of a green anarchism. Edited January 8, 2013 by Hairnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairnet Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) I have been watching this video more fully now. Anyone who wants a good laugh should go to the 42 minute mark . The financialization idea is hilarious. One of the commentators claims that because finance has entered into so much of our lives, that this means that we have lost vision of the future. That is the opposite of the case. Finance coordinates the allocation of resources across time. The monetary and financial institutions that currently exist are corrupt, but they still attempt to perform this function. He is upset that people, and those in power, have to rationally assess their long term goals. He most likely wants to abolish currency altogehter, saving that, he wants credit to be free. Either way, he doesn't want to rationally asess long term projects in terms of resources and profitablility. He wants to asess them by his desires. The only reason there are any crises in the first place is because our financial institutions are corrupt, not because they are prevalent. It is ironic when he claims that finance causes us to live in a permanent present. However finance is what creates the future. Anarchism has mo mechanism for technological innovation or for coordinatiing long term investments. The demonstrators are so pathetic. If we look at examples like spanish socialist revolution in the interwar period, the socialist movements in the Arab world, or the socialist revolutions in central america, we see a pattern of socialists being incapable of achieveing anything. In order to acheve success, socialists align themselves with dangerous militants. In the end these militants end up betraying them and taking power for themselves becaues the miilitants are stronger and more cunning. True socialists are so altrusitic, and detatched from the world, they are incapbale of interacting with it without the aid of others. They should follow in the footsteps of Christ and give up this earth to the wicked and saves themselves some time. Edited January 8, 2013 by Hairnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Hey Rob, The movie you shared with the good folk here was specifically designed to make leftists who produce nothing to feel comfortable in their own failure to become decent responsible productive American Capitalists. Capitalism can't fail. People can only fail at becoming Captalists because they lack the ethical values and self motivation which make it work. Edited January 9, 2013 by moralist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I have been watching this video more fully now. Anyone who wants a good laugh should go to the 42 minute mark . Angry entitlement tantrums are so infantile. If there was even a speck of self awareness or reflection, she would have been thoroughly ashamed of herself. But this is not about growing up. It's all about angry blame (unjust accusation) of others... which is the foundation of every evil act in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruveyn1 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hey folks, I am pleased to be joining your forum today, and I come with an agenda. Here is youtube video that I would like some of you hard hitting objectivists to weigh into as the voting seems to give the wrong impression. I hate when it looks like we're so badly outnumbered by stupid. Rob PS. I'm not sure how kosher this is but it seems to me it has to be done, please have a look at vote/rate... This is just warmed over Karl Marx nonsense. ruveyn1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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