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Okey, I get it. Analysis is an act, and an act is a cause by the law of identity. Effect always follows the cause linearly. Just as emotions follow thoughts, or heart mind. You cannot go in reverse. So, while physics is first, metaphysics is always second, but there can be no return for you, so any further analysis will follow causality and thus end up in the meta of metaphysics.

 

A different question for you: Does your moral theory involve the recognition of others as more than instrumental to your fulfillment? In other words, you may promote your own interests and personal fulfillment, so long as you do not encroach upon the pursuit by others of their fulfillment. Would you recognize other persons as limits to your action?

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Okey, I get it. Analysis is an act, and an act is a cause by the law of identity. Effect always follows the cause linearly. Just as emotions follow thoughts, or heart mind. You cannot go in reverse. So, while physics is first, metaphysics is always second, but there can be no return for you, so any further analysis will follow causality and thus end up in the meta of metaphysics.

 

A different question for you: Does your moral theory involve the recognition of others as more than instrumental to your fulfillment? In other words, you may promote your own interests and personal fulfillment, so long as you do not encroach upon the pursuit by others of their fulfillment. Would you recognize other persons as limits to your action?

You make no sense.

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Try:-

 

We the Living

 

That says it all, by saying nothing (about Objectivism).

We the Living is the closest to my taste of fiction out of all of Ms. Rand's works. But Atlas Shrugged was the most inspiring (and the most difficult to read).

Edited by Ilya Startsev

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I still cannot overcome my hate for transhumanism. Maybe you can help? The connection between Objectivism and transhumanism is perhaps what bothers me the most about Objectivism.

 

I suggest you read Transhumanism and the philosophy of Ayn Rand. I hate that Ayn Rand "has had an influence on the development of transhumanist thought." Transhumanist extropian "descriptions are clearly linked to the Objectivist ethics," and transhumanism and Objectivism "have a number of general ideas in common."

 

I believe that transhumanism can easily bring Objectivism under. While Objectivists worry about collectivization under the pretences of fascism, socialism, and religion, they completely ignore that collectivization is now happening under the pretences of humanism -- through science.

 

Perhaps it is not even fascist, socialist, or religionist collectivization that should be feared, but the direct and explicit robotization by the transhumanists. Transhumanism is a political and scientific philosophy that wants the government to regulate technologies that are directly affecting transformation of human beings. This philosophy is currently spread by the World Transhumanist Association, also known as Humanity+. In 29 countries there are already 54 chapters of this organization, 20 of which are in the United States alone.1 Although the transhumanists create a pretense of being centered on humanity, they are actually scientific materialists who care little about what makes us human. They are one of the main and most popular forces trying to hold humans from becoming responsible and ethical individuals. Pure hard sciences without the humanities directly lead to making humans into devices that transmit messages as robots do. The new economic alternatives (such as my emotional economy) would indeed seem alien to the individuals who place technology above human life and communication systems above human consciousness.

 

1 Humanity+. “Chapters.” Web. 2 Nov. 2014. <http://humanityplus.org/get-involved-2/chapters-of-humanity/>

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Actually, I understand something better now. While fascists, socialists, and religionists hold the front line of global cultural, social, and spiritual consciousness, Objectivists hold the front line of capitalism and stop further spread of the evil of fascists, socialists, and religionists, while I will hold the front line against the transhumanists. So, my criticism of Objectivism above was not correct. Objectivists should continue worrying about those other collectivists, for without Objectivism they would take over.

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You are right, they are involved with the government. And you just want the gold standard, so that also makes sense. I liked the movie and wanted to discuss it with you--that's all. There was no need for you to believe in the ideas from there, only imagine their possibility, as if you would have watched it as a scifi movie. I do not ignore what I observe, and I observed interviews and comments given by government people who were independent from the Thrive movement. That movie had little to do with "paranoia and persecutory delusions," in contrast to many other conspiracy movies. Instead, the movie provided a positive lookout, ethics and worldview very similar to Objectivism, and a way to create a safety net to be independent from the government and taxes.

I told you about this double government stuff, and here is more discussion that you think you could continue to ignore: https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html

 

Guess what? You better not ignore this any longer.

 

And here is more on conspiracy theorists to back this up: http://www.naturalnews.com/047168_conspiracy_theorists_sanity_propaganda.html

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