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Michigan Governor Signs Anti-Tesla Bill

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Can you imagine the outrage among the Objectapublicans here if the same law was signed by a Democrat? The outrage would leap off the screen. Maybe I should have posted as much since they don't pay much much attention to facts anyhow...

 

The fact is actually that I experience the opposite.  I hear more complaining about the Republicans and even the Libertarians then I do the Democrats.  A good example was the last election.  People lined up to denounce Ron Paul or Mitt Romney and I heard jack about Obama in virtually every blog I read.  This matches most of the classic articles I might add.  Rand, Piekoff, and friends didn't write about the Democrats as the "Perversions of Liberty" or spend articles denouncing Dems for their religious influence.  In fact, until the last major election the ARI has had a policy of encouraging people to vote Democrat because of the religious influence within the Republican party. 

 

Those are the facts if one was to pay attention to them.  

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Can you imagine the outrage among the Objectapublicans here if the same law was signed by a Democrat? The outrage would leap off the screen. 

As usual, reality fails to oblige your theories. There are 50 states, about half of them run by Democrats. They all have these same regulations on the books, signed by Democrats. And yet, there's no outrage leaping off the screen, there never was.

 

There's only one person currently here, who's sole interest lies in starting threads spewing one sided political talking points: you. There used to be another one (the blogger guy, who was doing his "conservative talking point of the day thread" gimmick for a while), but he had the sense to figure out that that's not what this site is for after only two months. Leaving you, all by yourself, as our resident political hack.

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Charming as ever, Nicky.

 

Like I said, I should have titled my post, "Democrats kick Tesla out of MI" and then Objectapublicans like Nicky here wouldn't try to whitewash an obviously terrible, corrupt, socialist law because they don't pay attention to facts that they can learn by spending 90 seconds on Google:

 

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2014/10/see_which_states_allow_direct.html

 

But yeah, the Republican MI governor did the right thing by adding his state to the corrupt, socialist "dishonor roll" because when Republicans sign laws like this it means they are still marching us toward liberty, but are taking the scenic route.

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Nicky, the point is that there is no outrage. Crow is suggesting there would be outrage if the governor were a Democrat. That he is a Republican seemed to attract your whitewashing: "It's a tiny little wrinkle in franchise regulation." You don't seem to care, and I don't know why.

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Nicky, the point is that there is no outrage. Crow is suggesting there would be outrage if the governor were a Democrat. That he is a Republican seemed to attract your whitewashing: "It's a tiny little wrinkle in franchise regulation." You don't seem to care, and I don't know why.

 

If by this you mean that if it was a Democratic Governor and Congress then the usual talk radio suspects would be all over it - I agree.  They would be and the hypocrisy would be palpable.  But to Nicky's point this is run of the mill for Objectivists - The Dems and Repubs are simply different ends of the same axis so no surprise there.  

 

The only thing I see useful is that I'm from Michigan so it serves as a good example when I have to explain the republicans I  know why they are not the party of Capitalism like they continue to claim to be. 

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Nicky, the point is that there is no outrage.

I don't think a single person here wants to see anti-competitive legislation of any magnitude in any industry. Outrage is a bit over the top. Crow suggested this sucked "more than anything has sucked in a very long time". (This from a guy who thinks it is fine for granny to be eating grandson's seed corn because "we owe it to ourselves".)

 

Crow is suggesting there would be outrage if the governor were a Democrat.

Yes he is. That is his standard stupid straw-man approach to bring up a GOP/Dem issue where there is none, and then painting everyone on the forum as being a conservative hack.

 

That he is a Republican seemed to attract your whitewashing: "It's a tiny little wrinkle in franchise regulation." You don't seem to care, and I don't know why.

Democrats were behind this legislation just as much as the GOP. It is only Crow who wants to paint it differently, to spin his argument and put all the blame on Synder because he is Republican,... and then spin that to blaming forum members for being willing to ignore crap the GOP does.

If Crow had started with an honest post, criticizing the legislation for what it is, and placing blame where it properly belongs, nobody here would have taken issue with it. Crow is simply unable to escape the false assumptions in his mind, that cause him to weave the same straw[men] into cloth with holes, like any troll keeps doing.

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Nicky, the point is that there is no outrage. Crow is suggesting there would be outrage if the governor were a Democrat.

What do you mean by "if". There are no ifs here. Blue states have the same legislation. 

 

You can stop speculating about what I WOULD DO IF Democratic governors signed similar bills into law, and start looking at what I ACUALLY DID, WHEN they did sign similar bills into law.

 

You'll find that the answer is I did nothing. Just like with this. It's a totally unremarkable, standard thing that everyone does. Picking out the one instance when it's a Republican doing it is cheap political hackery.

 

And it doesn't change the fact that when it comes to less mainstream economic fascism (stuff that's not done by every politician in the country, but only by some of them, like $15 minimum wage, or banning McDonalds from the neighborhood, or shutting down coal mines and oil pipelines), Republicans are marginally less fascist than Democrats. Not by a whole lot, mind you, there's a pretty wide spectrum of fascism that both accept equally (protectionist franchise laws for instance), but there is a strip there at the edge that's almost exclusively Democrat country. Again: not this type of protectionism, this is mainstream. I'm talking strictly about issues right at the edge of the progressive movement, which haven't yet moved into the mainstream. Those are all the domain of Democrats, and Republicans are hard at work trying to delay them. They're not doing a good job, but they are trying.

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Your response seems to be you didn't care, don't care, and won't care. I got riled up like Crow about Republican hypocrisy, and like Crow, I am bothered that Democrats are also to blame. I probably should've cared before, but now I care. Who cares if it's mainstream? It's a bad law. Now, it is being reinforced as mainstream by apparently attaining bipartisan support. This is bad. It is aggravating. It's more aggravating when a supposed pro-capitalist is nothing of the sort, like SA described. All I see you saying is "oh well, nothing new to see here, move along." Apathy is not anything to be proud of!

What you DID do doesn't matter. I see 3 possibilities: You still don't care. Or, you care, but not now because Republicans aren't as bad. Or you just don't want to agree with Crow and put rationality on hold.

In post #7, Crow says both parties are at fault. Generally, more people on this site are on the conservative talking point side politically speaking - and why I rarely post on political news threads anymore.

The point I'm getting at is whether it is important to care about little things. To me, eliminating car franchise hyper-regulation is an easy battle to win and get support over. Foaming at the mouth outraged? No. It is still worth outrage in the "this is totally stupid" sense.

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Your response seems to be you didn't care, don't care, and won't care.

Your response, over and over again, seems to be to just plain lie about what I said. I never said I don't care, I said I'm not outraged, and I didn't react. I even explained why.

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The point I'm getting at is whether it is important to care about little things. To me, eliminating car franchise hyper-regulation is an easy battle to win and get support over. Foaming at the mouth outraged? No. It is still worth outrage in the "this is totally stupid" sense.

 

This was my implicit point too. Not sure why Crow started the Ojectipublican thing in regard to my post because I dislike both parties although I suppose it's true I usually dislike the Democrats to a greater extent. But I basically said I think it's crazy anyone would sign such a law into practice so I don't understand how I was "defending Republicans" here?

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Your response, over and over again, seems to be to just plain lie about what I said. I never said I don't care, I said I'm not outraged, and I didn't react. I even explained why.

Then I don't know what your point is, other than you don't like Crow. You might not like a specific point in general, but you both agree in general that such laws on the books ought not exist. Also, you made a point that Tesla is pretty bad too, but I'd like to see some evidence that Tesla thinks it deserves special treatment. As a whole, it would make more sense to seek some common political ground here instead of highlighting minor differences as essential differences. That's why it looks a lot like "Objectipublican" whitewashing...

 

EC, I didn't mean to imply you were defending Republicans. At the very least, I think Nicky is defending them, which I simply don't understand.

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Oh I know you weren't Eiuol. I was just saying that the whole Objectipublican thing started when Crowepistemology quoted my post and went into a rant about it. I just don't see the connection *he* made there. To make it explicit though, I am a resident of Michigan. I did read this story in the paper a week ago and did find it slightly annoying. Snyder is my governor, and in general I don't think he's done a horrible job as far as a modern politician from either party goes, but of course I don't support this law. Nor did I vote for him or anyone else.

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Folks, you can argue all day about what's inside my head and what my "levels of outrage" might be, but the fact remains that this is a teachable moment in the classroom of capitalism and a heavy allegiance to a particular party will spoil it.

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