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Is Democracy the Nemesis Also of the Americans?

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I recently received an email introducing a blog titled “Is Democracy the Nemesis Also of the Americans” at americanemesis.wordpress.com. From my reading of the website so far I have found it to contain excellent analysis about the nature of democracy and how it is leading to America’s collapse internally and externally. I have not come across such writing so far and have made it an important mission to bring it to attention on the proper forums. I am planning to post essays from the blog on this forum for further discussion.

It is commendable that these ideas are coming from a foreigner who is fighting fanatics to be able to continue writing. Would love to know thoughts of the forum members on the blog.

Below I am including salient features of the writing as conveyed in the email.

1.       Since prior to the Greeks nobody has so far studied democracy to the extent necessary and presented in his writing. Civilization has never transcended democracy, but has got always destroyed because of it. It is the most important key to saving America today.

2.       The essays present formidable challenges to President Obama and individualist Americans at large about their hypocrisy of eulogizing the Founding Fathers and their philosophy / Constitution, while having totally destroyed both as evidenced by the domestic and foreign policies and actions of the United States over the last century.                              

3.       The essays also challenge Americans regarding their cherished beliefs like “All men were created equal”, their political system being far superior to European aristocracies, etc.

4.       The essays introduce several new ideas including how a republic erodes into a democracy, how democracy is a fertile ground for moral degeneration and the inevitability of nurturing a vote block  by distributing freebies (led by Democrats), followed by a vote block based on war-mongering (led by Republicans).                   

5.       To counter today’s massive doles, an essay presents a never-before analysis of L B Johnson. It proves that if Americans do not threaten of a civil war to restore Founding Fathers’ America then collapse is inevitable.

6.       The UN’s impotence, yet murder, loot, sleaze and also intrusion into America's internal affairs (violation of her sovereignty) is well-known. The UN is the elder brother of ISIS, Taliban and Al Qaeda, but not called so only because America’s military-industrial complex is using it as their East India Company. Shockingly, only America’s support is the major reason for even the existence of that evil, like Americans hitting the axe on their own feet!

7.       The author has challenged Americans to disprove his contention -- once the greatest emancipator in mankind’s history, today America has become the perpetrator of the biggest crimes against humanity because of its support to the UN. On the other hand, he has thanked the British Raj for civilizing the undeveloped societies to the extent that they are. He has also shown that it is the same big government and big military that perpetrates injustices externally as well as internally, which is the root of ever-increasing dictatorial Executive Orders by successive presidents nowadays.  

Read more at: https://americanemesis.wordpress.com/

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I assume most folk here would agree that individual rights should form the basis of government, and that citizens should be free to pursue their goals, respecting the rights of others, but not being legally responsible for helping others. If democracy means anything that the majority wishes to do, including violating individual rights, then it is dangerous. If it means electing representative government that works within a framework of individual-rights, then its probably the best system. 

One way or another, the basic problem is this: if the vast majority of citizens believe the government should violate human rights in certain situations, then the government will do so. Somewhere, they might put their despot in charge, hoping he will enforce their will; elsewhere, they will reinterpret their constitution, wink, wink.

Why would anyone call for a civil war to solve this? Finally, it is voters who are to blame for their own misguided views. The only way it will change is if they change their views. A civil war would be a war against themselves. Who is this civil war to be fought against? Is it going to be 290 million citizens against the 10 million who want a limited government that supports individual rights? 

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softwareNerd: I assume that most people here are Objectivists, who believe Dr. Peikoff to be a senior / respectable authority on politics, having been chosen by AR to lead the movement after her. Ayn Rand’s choice is the reason why I am referring to him here, otherwise there are many influential Americans who also share the view that America is very close to demise. I believe that at least some members here have read Dr. Peikoff’s “The DIM Hypothesis – Why the lights of the West are going out” which deals with the imminent fall of America into another Dark Ages due to takeover by resurgent, militant, fanatic Christianity – the fall is declared in the title of the book and the back-cover itself. The last sentence on the back cover says: The rescue of the US is still barely possible -- but not for much longer.

 

But that is not the end -- in a later-day podcast of his, he says the Democrats are far bigger villains because of welfare state, and he even goes fully opposite to his previous views, viz that Mexicans should not be allowed into the US because they vote for Democrats!

 

Now why should he be so very pessimistic about America’s survival and go back on his own previous opinions? The author of the blog I am referring to (americanemesis.wordpress.com), Michael Spencer, has reviewed DIM Hypothesis in his other essays and he says that Dr. LP is partly correct about both his views against GOP’s Christianity, as well as Dems’ welfare state -- and he is partly incorrect / contradictory because he / nobody else has analyzed democracy in as much detail as necessary.

 

He hasn’t said we declare a civil war, but that threatening of it could be the best way of avoiding it, and otherwise too America will perish either by slow-poisoning or by civil war -- do read the excellent stuff on the blog to get detailed answers to these questions.

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DIM is not on my reading list, and I don't think I'll get to that linked blog either, but I'd be happy to respond to arguments *you* make regarding civil war. Maybe I don't understand who you think is going to be on your side in this war? And, how many people? Is it going to be a motley crew like the self-destructive guys in Oregon?

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But I do believe that you respect Dr. Peikoff and give some weightage to his arguments -- after all he was AR’s choice to lead the movement. Another currently live article on this forum is discussing about the demise of the dollar (too many are predicting that), in recent reports 20,000 people have pledged to shift to New Hampshire to be away from rest of US ….. Etc. The probability of collapse and / or civil war is sufficiently high to merit discussion. There could be a civil war between Christians and socialists -- white supremacism too is rising alarmingly and likely to operate from behind “Christianity”.

Dr. Peikoff has given a call to “core Objectivists” who as per him are in five figures, to fight to the end -- they are as good as “motley crowd” you mentioned, but still  huge number compared to the example he has evoked, that of 300 Spartans who died fighting three days a million strong army of Persians, but thereby saved civilization!

Neither the author of the blog, Michael Spencer, nor I intend to declare a civil war -- he has addressed his writing to “individualist Americans” and his view is that collapse of America via civil-war or otherwise is imminent if *individualists don’t join hands*  to change the course (i.e. neglect minor differences to take on a far bigger enemy)! This is the most important point and he has given his views about what needs to be changed. Reference to civil war is only to convey seriousness, which I also said in the OP.

It would be unfortunate if we remained limited to this kind of diversion out of Spencer’s excellent writing. So as said previously, I have posted a new essay for discussion: Equality vs. Inequality.

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35 minutes ago, Democles said:

 

Not sure if your intent is merely to link to another site, and that's the reason you still don't make a single argument here. Anyway, I can only repeat what I said before: I'd probably respond if an argument was made here.

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Sorry that necessities of routine life distracted me for a while. My intent is surely to spread the message of a very good website – I have made it my mission to spread it amongst as many Americans as possible and intend to post sub-articles from it for members’ awareness; plus I am doing that on several forums.

I have made good arguments on this thread too, but it is partly in the nature of arguments that the two sides tend to not see each-others' point, so we have to leave it there. I am repeating that neither am I declaring a civil war at the moment, nor Michael Spencer the author of the blog I quote. But he does say, after very good explanations, derivations, etc., that the threat of a civil war could be the only way of avoiding a civil war / collapse.

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