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A couple weeks ago anonymous Nazis of the Alt-Right created a new meme on the image board called 4chan, and they convinced normal people and young students to spread it around schools via flyers. The campaign is worldwide, and it actually made national news here in the United States a few days ago. The truly troubling thing, however, is that most normal white folk don't understand how and why this meme was developed by Nazis, and many of them are unwittingly adopting its content into their own individual belief systems. Right now, to many ignorant conservatives, the simple notion that "it's okay to be white" seems like the most rational, enlightened response ever to anti-White Leftist memes about White Privilege and White Guilt. But how will these people react once they learn that IOTBW has its roots in racist, white nationalist culture? Depending on how well they have integrated the meme into the rest of their thoughts, they could be highly susceptible to further Nazi indoctrination.

Perhaps uninitiated normies will search videos for "it's okay to be white," and perhaps they will see that in the top Google results is a fan-vid for an obscure Aggressive Force song called "It's okay to be white." And perhaps they will watch this punk rock video, which is full of racist propaganda, including images of Nazis and lyrics about denying the Holocaust.

Or perhaps the ignorant newcomer will search for related images and find a similarly worded flyer for the Church of Creativity that reads: It's Alright To Be White. The Church of Creativity is an online white nationalist organization. They have been using this meme on flyers and website banners to encourage pride in one's white skin and recruit new members to the cause.

The Nazis are not going away, and they have the right to spread their insidious rhetoric and propaganda. So the way to fight them is to stop being stupid and to stop being a clueless pawn in their cultural meme war with the anti-White Leftists. When more popular, mainstream people like Tucker Carlson defend IOTBW on Fox News, they think they are accepting a profound truth, when in reality they have become brainless fodder on the front lines of the meme war. If normal conservatives ever wake up to the truth about this particular meme, those who embraced it early on will be compelled to admit their stupidity, or they will be bounced from the realm of common sense and probably spiral down into the pits of identity politics, where the racists reside.

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So we aren't permitted to engage with the words "It's okay to be white" conceptually.  The only thing that matters is guilt by association back through to the originator?  

 

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Go ahead and engage, if you want. Who's stopping you? I'm all ears.

Here's what happens when you engage. Either you take it seriously and adopt some pride in being white-skinned, or you take it unseriously, recognizing it as a means of trolling the Left. Maybe there are some in-between takes, but I think those are the two main ones. What's wrong with this, you ask? Well, it's a false alternative, which on one hand sends you squarely into the realm of race-based identity politics, or on the other hand turns you into a troll for the Alt-Right.

The solution is to reject the meme, to reject the false alternative, and to realize that it doesn't matter that you're white. To declare something "okay" is a mild form of moral evaluation. It means "to be good, or not bad." You should not take even the tiniest amount of pride, or moral worth, in something over which you had no control. Taking pride in one's skin color is the first step toward full-blown racism. You should take pride in your good character, not your white race.

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How about if white people just reject the incessant guilt tripping built into leftist politics?   No reparations from me, I never owned a slave.   And by your reasoning, it only matters whether or not I owned a slave.   Same goes for everyone else who is white.

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6 hours ago, Grames said:

How about if white people just reject the incessant guilt tripping built into leftist politics?   No reparations from me, I never owned a slave.   And by your reasoning, it only matters whether or not I owned a slave.   Same goes for everyone else who is white.

No one accused you of owning any slaves. Just of associating with neo-nazis, by spreading their memes.

It's also not about "left vs. right". I doubt MisterSwig is a socialist. He could be, I don't know him, but he sound like an Objectivist, to me. So you might want to consider the possibility that this is a case of "Objectivism vs right". And you're not on the Objectivism side.

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8 hours ago, Grames said:

How about if white people just reject the incessant guilt tripping built into leftist politics?

Okay, but the question is how do you convince them to do that? By appealing to white pride, like the Nazis? Or by making an actual fact-based argument like you did with the slave ownership issue?

This is one of the big problems with memes today: people spread them without thinking about their origins or  the consequences of blindly propagating them. And those who do that get played by the intellectual strategists who created the memes and have actually "weaponized" these things against their cultural enemies.

IOTBW is a particularly vicious meme. It looks like it's perfectly crafted to spread like wildfire through the conservative world. Keep an eye on it, and learn something.

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11 hours ago, MisterSwig said:

 

Okay, but the question is how do you convince them to do that? By appealing to white pride, like the Nazis? Or by making an actual fact-based argument like you did with the slave ownership issue?

This is one of the big problems with memes today: people spread them without thinking about their origins or  the consequences of blindly propagating them. And those who do that get played by the intellectual strategists who created the memes and have actually "weaponized" these things against their cultural enemies.

IOTBW is a particularly vicious meme. It looks like it's perfectly crafted to spread like wildfire through the conservative world. Keep an eye on it, and learn something.

The only option to IOTBW is what?  That it's not ok to be white?  I'm disgusted that neo nazis or white nationalists exist to spread any meme.  If it were up to me, they'd be put on a tropical island to fend for themselves so that we don't have to deal with them.  The only option is to steal their meme and throw it back in their face. " It IS ok to be white but it's ok to be non white too" would be my reply.  I do not think it's ok to act as if this otherwise perfectly correct and morally proper meme is not ok just because some neo nazi started it.  I think the same is true of the phrase "Black Lives Matter" because they do matter.  Steal the meme and apply correctly.  Help the lives of blacks who are in fact in need of it.  Tell any BLM sympathizer that this should motivate them to improve the lives of blacks instead of accusing all whites and cops of racism.   

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2 hours ago, Craig24 said:

The only option is to steal their meme and throw it back in their face.

I understand your desire to do this. But I'd caution you to think twice. I have spent time at 4chan watching the Alt-Right trolls develop these memes and direct their propagation through the culture. They know people like you exist, and they craft their messages to be bulletproof against any attempt at theft. How do you propose to turn it against them? They have thought ten steps ahead of you. They've been doing this since before Hitler, locked in a ruthless propaganda war with the Marxists. You're not dealing with amateurs. There is no turning the message around on the Nazi meme-maker. There is only exposing it for the vicious garbage that it is. Try accusing anyone who uses it of STEALING the meme from the Nazi skinhead band Aggressive Force or the Church of Creativity. They didn't like that on 4chan and started vomiting obscenities at me. They take pride in creating these things. So they hate being accused of plagiarism. Or, they hate it when you expose their secret, in this case that the meme actually is connected to white nationalism.

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3 hours ago, Craig24 said:

" It IS ok to be white but it's ok to be non white too" would be my reply.

Sorry, I didn't address this. Okay, let's say you throw that addendum in their faces, which by the way is already being done. They aren't going to care, because they agree with you. That's the whole point. They want you to begin thinking in terms of racial politics. They win this battle. They've indoctrinated you with the stage one redpill. Success!

You see, it's okay to be whatever race you are, but the white race is the finest race. After all, we created all the great civilizations. Right?

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Yes it's okay to be white. I don't see anything wrong with that statement, or with spreading it. Its source is irrelevant because the message is good. If a con artist tells you that A is A, will you disbelieve him? Will you refuse to say that A is A because a con artist said it first? Will you refuse to say "it's okay to be white" because a racist said it first?

There is a pernicious anti-white bias in the United States. Anybody, especially whites, who challenges the narrative, Obama, or Antifa is called racist. Whites are rejected for college applications in favor of less-qualified minorities. Same with many businesses that practice so-called "affirmative action." What are they affirming? Inferiority?

16 hours ago, Nicky said:

So you might want to consider the possibility that this is a case of "Objectivism vs right". And you're not on the Objectivism side.

I am on the side of rationality. Objectivists are not always rational. In this case, the right is right and the Objectivists arguing against them in this thread are wrong.

3 hours ago, Craig24 said:

If it were up to me, they'd be put on a tropical island to fend for themselves so that we don't have to deal with them.

Hopefully you mean that in jest. Neo-nazis have the first amendment right to speak their minds just like the rest of us.

 

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33 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

You see, it's okay to be whatever race you are, but the white race is the finest race. After all, we created all the great civilizations. Right?

While I don't identify with tribalism, it is true that people with white skin did create the bulk of the world's great civilizations. Africa is a mess... they could be a global power with all of their natural resources, but instead they're poor as dirt. Why?

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5 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

While I don't identify with tribalism, it is true that people with white skin did create the bulk of the world's great civilizations.

Good grief. What do you think tribalism is?

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2 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Good grief. What do you think tribalism is?

You never answered my question. Why is Africa poor while Europe and the US are rich?

As for tribalism, I believe this explains it adequately. Tribalism is the personal identification of an individual with a group regardless of the individual's own merits. I have not engaged in tribalist rhetoric. I am not identifying with other white people. As Obama would say, "I didn't build that." I am simply pointing out a fact of reality that Europe is light-years ahead of Africa. Why?

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8 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

Why is Africa poor while Europe and the US are rich?

Because only Europe went through the Enlightenment and discovered capitalism.

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8 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Because only Europe went through the Enlightenment and discovered capitalism.

Yes but why? Why only Europe and not Africa?

The virtue of capitalism is easily discoverable by anybody willing to use reason. Japan adopted capitalism after WW2... they didn't even need an enlightenment to do it. They simply saw the value, and saw capitalism as the best way to rebuild their society.

The enlightenment was 300 years ago. Africa is 300 years behind.

Where is their capitalism?

Why have Africans not used reason in the way that Europeans and the Japanese have?

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23 hours ago, Grames said:

How about if white people just reject the incessant guilt tripping built into leftist politics?   No reparations from me, I never owned a slave.   And by your reasoning, it only matters whether or not I owned a slave.   Same goes for everyone else who is white.

Yes like that notorious leftist Rose Wilder Lane when she apologized on behalf of whites in her Pittsburgh Courier column and claimed anyone who doesn't renounce their race is a traitor to the cause of natural rights and laissez-faire. How about us individualists go back to being radical anti-racists? Of course white guilt is wrong, but if you think these dumb-dumbs are promoting white pride memes out of a principled rejection of postmodernism, and see literally no problem with "spreading the message" then you are actively an idiot, and I am in no way in the same movement as y'all. 🖕🏿

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17 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

Yes but why? Why only Europe and not Africa?

My initial response is that such a question -- and the answer it invites -- is extraordinarily complex. (Though perhaps Jared Diamond has gone some distance towards answering it in part...)

But it sounds to me like you have some idea of a simpler answer in mind. Do you? Presumably you don't account this to skin color, so why, in your opinion, did the Enlightenment take place in Europe and not Africa?

17 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

The virtue of capitalism is easily discoverable by anybody willing to use reason.

I think this proposition is debatable at least. (There is a reason why C:UI is titled as it is.)

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Just now, DonAthos said:

Presumably you don't account this to skin color, so why, in your opinion, did the Enlightenment take place in Europe and not Africa?

Because of IQ, and education. It takes a certain degree of intelligence and education to understand capitalism, and to be successful in a capitalist system. Africans are not as intelligent as Europeans, on average. They are also far less educated on average. This does not mean "every African" and "every European." There are some extraordinarily smart Africans, and some extraordinarily dumb Europeans. Which is why judging an individual before you get to know him is often a futile pursuit, and why racism is a futile pursuit. That being said, intelligence and education play a large factor. Many Africans simply are unable to grasp concepts like capitalism and why it is what Africa needs to be successful.

6 minutes ago, DonAthos said:

I think this proposition is debatable at least. (There is a reason why C:UI is titled as it is.)

Korea and Japan didn't need that book to see plainly that capitalist countries do better than tribalist ones. They went from war-ravaged countries in the 1950's to global economic powerhouses.

Russia went from a communist country in just a quarter century, to being a country with "the world's 15th highest patent application rate, the 8th highest concentration of high-tech public companies, such as internet and aerospace and the third highest graduation rate of scientists and engineers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

Meanwhile Africa is still a hellhole. The answer lies in the intelligence and education of the population.

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24 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

The virtue of capitalism is easily discoverable by anybody willing to use reason.

This isn't even true in 21st century America. Most people using reason today do not understand the virtue of capitalism. Practically the entire Left is demanding socialism. And half of the Right wants some kind of nationalism. Even those in the middle who give lip service to capitalism, they only like it because it's obviously better than other systems from a practical perspective. They don't embrace it at a moral level.

 

As for why the Enlightenment took place in Europe and not Africa, that requires a complex answer related to Western Civilization taking root in Greece. Why Greece? I don't know. Perhaps because the environment in Greece was more ideal for intellectual development which, in my experience, requires free time and access to libraries of knowledge. I get the impression that the available resources in Europe were more conducive to writing books than those in Africa.

 

Also, you should read an article or two about the recent economic progress in Africa due to some nations embracing capitalist ideas.

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2 hours ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

While I don't identify with tribalism, it is true that people with white skin did create the bulk of the world's great civilizations. Africa is a mess... they could be a global power with all of their natural resources, but instead they're poor as dirt. Why?

Let me guess: melanin makes people socialist?

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54 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

And by "African" you mean black. And by "European" you mean white. You see how that's completely tribalistic? You've divided humans into the European tribe and the African tribe. Blacks belong in that tribe, and whites belong in this one. And then you try to suggest that blacks have a lower intelligence in general because they belong to the intellectually inferior tribe: the Africans.

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58 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

This isn't even true in 21st century America. Most people using reason today do not understand the virtue of capitalism. Practically the entire Left is demanding socialism. And half of the Right wants some kind of nationalism.

So imagine how much worse it would be in a country where most people don't even have a high school diploma, and the average IQ is 75. Wait, you don't have to imagine. Just look at Africa and there's what it would be like.

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As for why the Enlightenment took place in Europe and not Africa, that requires a complex answer related to Western Civilization taking root in Greece. Why Greece? I don't know. Perhaps because the environment in Greece was more ideal for intellectual development which, in my experience, requires free time and access to libraries of knowledge. I get the impression that the available resources in Europe were more conducive to writing books than those in Africa.

So the average intelligence of either group of people, to you, has no bearing on their success?

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Also, you should read an article or two about the recent economic progress in Africa due to some nations embracing capitalist ideas.

Best of luck to them. It's in the interests of America if Africa succeeds and becomes a viable trading partner. I'm not rooting against them--far from it.

43 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

And by "African" you mean black. And by "European" you mean white. You see how that's completely tribalistic?

Even if the statement were tribalist, that doesn't make it not true. Is reality racist?

Africans on average are more likely to have darker skin than Europeans on average.
Africans on average are less likely to have an education than Europeans on average.

Why does only one of these true sentences bother you?

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1 hour ago, softwareNerd said:

Let me guess: melanin makes people socialist?

Melanin doesn't make people socialist, any more than a train whistle makes a locomotive move. The two are associated because of other factors. Here, let me help you:

A failure to apply reason to the reality of markets makes you socialist. People with lower education and lower IQ have lowered cognitive faculties. As it just so happens, people in Africa on average have low levels of education and low IQ scores. They happen to be black.

 

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1 hour ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

So the average intelligence of either group of people, to you, has no bearing on their success?

Intelligence is not the only factor, and perhaps not even the primary factor, in a group's success. First you have to define what you mean by a group's success. Then you have to objectively determine the contributing factors for that success. Obviously intelligence is part  of the equation. But so is physicality, morality, and psychology, etc. Also, sometimes no amount of intelligence will save you from a natural disaster. Nature will ravage various groups unequally. It might wipe out the smarter group and leave the dumber one. Also, no amount of intelligence will help you if you don't have the resources you need to survive a barbarian invasion. You might be smarter with better weapons, but you are hopelessly outnumbered. Let's not pretend like intelligence alone determines the success of an individual, let alone an entire race.

 

Racists love to point to IQ studies and imply that they prove whites generally have better brains than blacks. It's genetics, don't you know? Well, no, I don't know. Scientists are still researching this issue. It's not clear how to interpret the data.

 

IQ tests, in my view, do not gauge innate intelligence, because there is no such thing. Intelligence is something you gain, not something you're born with. You might have an innate capacity for intelligence, but that is a different thing. And then it's a matter of one's character and environment that determines how much of that capacity is fulfilled.

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2 hours ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

Melanin doesn't make people socialist, any more than a train whistle makes a locomotive move. The two are associated because of other factors. Here, let me help you:

A failure to apply reason to the reality of markets makes you socialist. People with lower education and lower IQ have lowered cognitive faculties. As it just so happens, people in Africa on average have low levels of education and low IQ scores. They happen to be black.

 

So, the IQ scores of caucasian is correlated to their support for free-markets?

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