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Consciousness and motion as applied to myself

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Existence is independent of consciousness. I cannot think, "tree move" and it succumb to my wishes. But, what it is it that makes my hand move? It cannot be my thoughts can it? Thoughts have no influence over matter. What is it that makes my hand move? How is it that the material that makes me me connect to my mind in a way that is different that my mind being connected to the tree? Is it simply because my consciousness it part of my identity? 

What am I missing?

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It's not true that thoughts do not have influence over matter, they can in certain contexts. The mind and body are an integrated whole:  thoughts influence the body and vice versa. That is part of the nature of being a human - part of it's identity. The task of science is to study to explain how this occurs.

A tree is a separate entity by which our consciousness (according to its identity) has no control over. Your ability to move it using your thoughts, for example, will not work, simply because reality is what it is. It's not within our ability to do so - it's one of the limitations of consciousness.

Studying the former (how thoughts allow you to move your hand) will help you to understand how it doesn't apply to moving a tree.

Existence is independent of consciousness means: A is A, Consciousness is consciousness - it has a certain nature that cannot be changed, a nature that is independent to our thoughts or wishes. If consciousness has the ability to affect the body, then that is part of its identity. If it does not have the ability to move a tree by its nature, then wishing that the tree moves is going to be futile. 

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On 6/23/2019 at 5:05 PM, Veritas said:

It cannot be my thoughts can it? Thoughts have no influence over matter.

Yes it can, because thoughts are matter.  Being the same kind of thing, there is no mysterious gap between mind and matter.  Physical contact makes it possible for the matter of the hand to move when commanded by your mind, and if you walked over and pushed on the tree it would move too (at least shake a little if you were big enough).

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