Lathanar

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Cobb county Georgia had a couple go rounds with ID and there was a school in Fresno that tried, but I think they should have been allowed, it was an elective philosophy course. Not exactly a scientific class.

Ok, I have to object to this line of thought. The Europeans brought disease that decimated the local population, the Europeans fought several engangements with them and pushed them past the Appalachians (King Phillips War and Bacon's Rebellion being two of the major ones). The Indians saw their entire civilization going down in very rapid decline as ever more and more of the white men came to enslave them or push them off their ancestral lands. Yes, at the beginning they did not understand property rights, and they took some trinkets to say, sure you can build houses and farms there and we will leave it alone. But the Europeans did not respect the boundaries they set and continued to grab land. I'd fight back too, don't make it sound like they were the initiators and got what they deserved.

His "Certain sensations" I would say have to be caused by someone's actions and "perceptions" would have to be perceptions of someone's actions. Not the mere perception of an existant. Things do not violate rights, the actions of people do. A naked man is as much a threat as an ugly man. A naked man assaulting you is different. Simply seeing a sexual body part does not "cause nausea, dizziness, dazzlement, or other conditions that impair one's ability to deal with reality". Nor would a social context cause a sexual body part to do the same. Seeing someone doing something with a sexual body part might. Simply seeing a sexual body part does not create a sexual situation. He keeps asserting this but fails constantly to back it up expecting us to accept it as self evident. The rest of his argument I see no point in even going into since it fails at this step.

I didn't say his work was philosophical or that he backed altruism as Rand used it. I said I've heard it referenced often to back the arguments for altruism.

His selfish gene book pushed the primary purpose in life is reproduction and protection of the genes, your children and future generations are more important than you. I've heard it referenced often to back the arguments for altruism from a rational perspective.

Happy Birthday David!

Gurode was contacted by the district attorney and asked if he wished to press charges against Haynesworth. He declined.

Man is born with no innate knowledge. He can only gain knowledge through interaction with reality, the environment around him, and the his use of reason to makes choices based on what he is presented. Would he not end up in effect being a "product" of his environment because of this? Do you think Rand would have sat down and written her philosophy if she had been born and raised in the American mid-west? Just a curiousity question.

Is that a yes or a no? I think I'm done with this discussion.

Do you get dizzy from talking in circles all the time? Answer the question, I'll clarify it more. Nudity on TV 20 years ago was not expected to be seen, and according to you that is a sexual activity and thus a violation of rights. Today nudity is now expected and is shown on TV, is it now not a sexual activity and thus not a violation of rights? Here's a hint, it's a yes or no answer.

Good, then you'll stop trying to say this is what Rand was saying. What she said was 1) protect people from being confronted with sights they regard as loathsome. 2) the freedom not to look or listen 3) rights of those who find pornography offensive What right is she talking about in #3? The one in #2. What do they wish to not see? The sights of the loathsome in #1. That to me is a clear chain of logic to the right not to see that which one finds loathsome. That is not the right to one's sexual integrity.

So it's a violation of rights to change the rules so nudity is expected in a certain circumstance, I'll get back to that later, now to what you side stepped again. If nudity 20 years ago was not expected and today it is, is it still a violation of rights even though it is expected? Duh. In this context, society is a majority of people. When a majority of people decide that nudity is unexpected, and thus a violation of rights, and suddenly it is expected and no longer a violation of rights. Rights are derived from morality. This discussion has everything to do with morality.

I don't agree with it right now and I have been trying to find supporting work from her to see how she comes to this conclusion. Where oh where in what she wrote on this subject did she say sexual integrity? Lets look at the parts already posted on this thread, I don't have the material here: (emphasis mine) That is her argument, the right not to be offended by seeing something loathsome. This is not sexual integrity, nor according to her is the rules for posting warnings a matter of morality, but of ettiquette. Law created to satisfy social ettiquette. Theft is not being offended, stop trying to sidetrack it. She's talking about the sight of pornography being loathsome/offensive.

Was watching a show last night where two detectives were trying to figure out what the morality of the song 'pop goes the weasle' was. They asked a couple of people they were interviewing/question "Do you know what pop goes the weasle mean?". Some people tried to answer, some took it as a threat from the detectives. They felt they were threatened while the intent of the dectives was not. So are you saying it is still a violation of rights even if it has become expected? Wrong. No matter what words society uses, it is the concepts the words represent and the intent or deeds of those saying them that violate rights, not the words themselves. What a society has determined to be the agreed upon definition of terms is very different than society deciding it's ok to be nude at this place because we expect it and not to be nude at this place because we don't expect it. That is society dictating morality, and that is what you are advocating.