Gus Van Horn blog Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Psychologist Michael Hurd, a favorite commentator of mine, titles a blog post about soccer with two questions: "Is Soccer Anti-Individualist? Or Just Dull?" His answers appear to be, "'Probably' and 'Yes'". Regulars here will know that I strongly disagree with the good doctor on both counts: My answers are, "'Almost certainly not', and 'Absolutely not'". Hurd does admit to not not knowing much about either soccer or football, so I'll kill off the second, less interesting question now, by referring to my view of baseball, a sport I know little about, but whose merits I came to see: Until the year Rice won the College World Series and I had the opportunity to watch several very good baseball games narrated by a very talented commentator, I had zeroappreciation for all the strategy that goes into that game. I used to see (before switching channels): nine men standing around on a field, scratching themselves and spitting while some guy with a beer belly swung a stick at a ball. Likewise, to the uninitiated, soccer will look like a bunch of people running around on a field kicking a ball for no particular reason. Since Hurd takes an Ann Coulter column as his point of departure, I must tackle a further, factual error that he ends up propagating from among her many errors and evasions: Yes, goals are rare, but they normally can be anything from a team to an individual accomplishment. In addition, Hurd and Coulter to the contrary, goals are the "equivalent of the home run, the touchdown or the slam dunk" they can't appreciate in soccer. In tight games, they can be all of these at once. (Watching such a game is not for the faint-hearted, much less anyone for whom fear is a "dominant attitude".) Having said that, Hurd and, I must admit, Coulter do raise interesting cultural issues that have coincided with the rise of soccer as youth sport, and that pertain to the first question ("Is soccer anti-individualist?"). I think I have partially answered this question already: Consider a winning touchdown, thrown by a scrambling quarterback to a crafty receiver who evades coverage and then sprints through a hole in the opposing team's defense -- a hole created by another team-mate's block. The multiple contributions to this score -- or even good, bone-crunching defensive play that scores zero points for that matter -- are good examples of team efforts with good individual contributions. The fact that several people contributed makes a touchdown (or a goal-line stand) no more anti-individualistic than the multiple passes and thinking-on-the-feet seen in many goals. Too much commentary on soccer is hung up on the quantity of goals (as if, say, 1-0 baseball games are unheard of) and the invisibility of individual contributions -- at least to those who don't understand what is going on.) But Hurd and Coulter raise the following point, which deserves to be addressed: Baseball and basketball present a constant threat of personal disgrace. In hockey, there are three or four fights a game -- and it's not a stroll on beach to be on ice with a puck flying around at 100 miles per hour. After a football game, ambulances carry off the wounded. After a soccer game, every player gets a ribbon and a juice box. [bold added] Really? I have no idea about now, but if such is the case, it hasn't always been that way. I played soccer from junior high until college, back in the eighties, before egalitarianism ruined (or started attacking) youth sports. All the ribbons -- medals and trophies, actually -- went to my brothers, who were both excellent players and whose teams won state championships. We did get drinks -- water, Gatorade, and the like -- at the half and after the game. Playing non-stop for 30-45 minutes (depending on age) will make you need water. Oh, and I encountered only three girls -- all exceptionally good players at a time when the overall skill level in the American game was low -- who were members of boys' teams over the decade I played or refereed. Why? Common sense was more prevalent back then. In soccer, it is legal to bump another player with the shoulder when going after the ball. This alone gives men, who are generally larger and have superior upper body strength, a huge advantage over women. Women have other physical limitations relative to men that make mixed competitive teams beyond perhaps elementary ages a dubious proposition at best. We did play mixed -- for fun with a few other families -- occasionally on Sundays. I don't know how common mixed teams are in youth competitions nowadays, but if Coulter is right, the egalitarians are running up a score. And whatever the merit of injuries, those happen in soccer as well. (Search "As for her assertion that personal humiliation or injury are required to count as sport".) I have a shoulder injury that occasionally acts up to this day. Hurd is right to be alarmed at the idea that everyone in a youth soccer game is getting a ribbon and a juice box. But that's egalitarianism, and not soccer. Hurd closes by saying, "The triumph of soccer as the activity of choice for school-aged children is probably no accident." If so, it's despite the efforts of leftists pushing it just because they see it as non-American and those of obnoxious evangelists who insist on calling it futbol. It's because soccer is fun and people of any size and build can play it, if they apply themselves and learn to think on their feet. -- CAV P.S. Regarding the title: In European soccer league competitions, a team that comes from behind to draw (and thus secures a point in the standings as in hockey), is often said to have "rescued a point". Link to Original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEpistemologist Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hurd is right to be alarmed at the idea that everyone in a youth soccer game is getting a ribbon and a juice box. But that's egalitarianism, and not soccer. He's right, huh? My kids have played youth soccer for years, and have never recieved a ribbon or a juice box, except once or twice when they were four years old. But yeah, just keep pulling stuff out of your ass to fit into a pre-defined narrative. That's the way we do it these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASKN Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I see you didn't read either article. If you had, you'd know that you're attacking nobody, since GVH agrees with you, and Dr. Hurd admitted to knowing little about soccer, and was actually just using a popular news story as a catalyst to expound on an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEpistemologist Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 You didn't even read my (2 line) post. I quoted the article. As for the linked article, Dr. Hurd wrote: "Is she right? I don’t know enough about either soccer or football to register a strong opinion, at least insofar as we examine the technical details of sports. But philosophically and psychologically, I think she’s on to something." In the "philosophical" realm, presumably, we don't need primitive tools like "evidence" or "facts" when pure, disconnected abstractions wiil do. Yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about, but that's okay because... it fits into a wider pre-defined narrative that we already know is true because God said so. I read this too: "Psychologist Michael Hurd, a favorite commentator of mine," Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASKN Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Your post is ironic in its display of the thing it's criticizing: adherence to a narrative (we can't make generalities or form principles) without regard for facts (we can). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEpistemologist Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Your post is ironic in its display of the thing it's criticizing: adherence to a narrative (we can't make generalities or form principles) without regard for facts (we can). ??? Can't even parse that response... it's not... English... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASKN Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Parenthesis are hard...? The point is, you're going around criticizing this blogger for no good reason at all. Given your negative tone and lack of understanding, or willful distortion, of what he wrote, it looks like you have your own agenda, which would be ironic since you're criticizing him of the same. What is this blogger really about? Is he honest? Are his points valid? You don't seem to care, but you do seem to care about blind criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEpistemologist Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I responded to a quote from his blog posting. It was a direct quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASKN Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'm sure you realize that quotes require context. You got the context wrong, then responded to the wrong context. If anything, given the *full context of both posts and everything written therein*, it would have made more sense to criticize Coulter, who actually does disagree with you. If you weren't so busy digging your heels, maybe you could check out other posts from both bloggers. If you did, you'd find exactly what I first pointed out: GVH is indeed honest, and Dr. Hurd does indeed regularly use a trend in media to throw a reasoned or Objectivist point of view into the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Buddha Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Soccer is Hockey played on grass. ZZZzzzzzz to both, I say! Edit: 4 days till College Football. I mean, come on! Edited August 27, 2014 by New Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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