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  1. Do you not realize many posters overlooked this. Besides you everyone else blindly accepted it was. I simply proved my point. Culture matters. There are people here who can't tell the difference between yeah + yeah and 1 + 1, when a cultural twist is introduced. Including the very poster who was most loudest about culture didn't matter. I simply proved his hypocrisy. I already adressed this. People always buck the system. Doesn't mean the system isn't racist. There were black senators and congressmen and millionaires in jim crow. So does that mean jim crow wasn't racist? An exception to a rule, doesn't mean there is no rule.
  2. Its not racist to state fact. Most whites aren't qualified to teach black students. They simply aren't and the evidence is the poor results and great difficulties black students suffer under white teachers. If the white teachers were qualified, they'd be doing a better job. They don't have the proper training.
  3. I am judging them on the fact they attack black children (character) not that their skin is white. If you could find me a white with afrocentric training and anti-racism training who doesn't behave racistly, then sure they could be in the classroom, find me a white person like tim wise, he can teach blacks, but most whites aren't near qualified.
  4. Yes but can you read hindi? Can you read chinese? If I give you a test in swahili can you pass this test? Stop trying to deny that culture matters. If you cannot read what is being said, then you cannot answer the question. Yeah because grand jury is some how the be all and end all of facts. Half the time when a cop is charged the prosecutor hides evidence from the grand jury to make the cop look less guilty. And the grand jury comes out of sequester and finds out the real facts from the media and says well if I knew this and that which was hidden then I would have indicted. There is a reason most other countries moved away from a grand jury. Even the term "Charged" by someone. What does this even mean. So you mean of some kid or jogger is running on the street in my direction I should be able to shoot them in the heart? The problem with Wilson's story is its just grossly unbelievable. Who would charge someone who shot them a bunch of times? After running away? Then turn around mid stride, and "Charge" ie run in the general direction of the person shooting you six times. If you just look at it as two people ignore race, and other factors. It is just highly unlikely. There could be a trial in the future, but its unlikely to happen anytime soon or until there is a new prosecutor who is actually willing to take the case seriously. And without a trial we will never know the truth. But the evidence and common sense doesn't support Wilson's account. It is not racist to point out when people are behaving in a racist manner.
  5. Studies demonstrate that non-whites UNDER-REPORT racism of whites because they quickly learn the typical reaction to complaint of racism is WHITE DENIAL. Further, no one gets more discriminated against then middle class non-whites. They are the ones who get the worse brunt of racism, the bamboo ceiling, the denial of bank loans, denied jobs. Poor people aren't even working or applying for loans. As a white person, you struggle to see your white privileges, you struggle to see the structural racism designed against non-whites, and you won't know when a teacher is behaving racistly because the behaviour isn't directed at you. I have no clue about your Aristotle point meaning. White is not a poor nomenclature for "Caucasians". When a sign said white only in North America, it wasn't letting in these so called dark Caucasians. I always get a kick out of people who come with these dark caucasian arguments. Because if "caucasian" is the real race, then what are these blonde flat nose white people.... LOL Most normal humans would call these people white. They aren't really within the definition of causasians their noses are too flat. I find the caucasian system to be too problematic. You end up with some very weird classifications that often are illogical. You end up with much of the northern euorpean contries where flat noses are common being no longer caucasian and much of eastern europe with slant eyes goes too. Then you start including random groups of people who seemingly have the right facial features into the group. White is a far more logical classification. You have white skin, you come from the germanic or slavic tribes, or in some cases the non-racially admixed indo-europeans tribesm you white. The same proof you'd use to consider that eurocentric schools are better. If you wanted to prove afrocentric schools are not more moral show me why. Present some argument. You could for instance show white students perform poorly in afrocentric schools because they are some how biased against whites and explain how they are biased against whites and other non-blacks. I haven't come across many whites in HCBUs but the few I have read about all report positive academic and learning experiences. You won't find a bunch of black kids singing we'll never let a cracker or a honkey into our hcbu club. Who are the real race baiters, the one who engage in racism and then get mad for it being pointed out to them, or the ones who suffer racism and point out what they are suffering? Your view confirms my intial hypothesis. European white culture and african americans cultures are incompatible. The two groups simply bring out the worse in each other, and there is a very strong argument for separate but equal schooling systems.
  6. Your analysis is flawed. I simply paralleled your previously flawed reasoning to demonstrate how flawed your reasoning is. The fact you agree the reasoning was flawed simply demonstrates you now admit you were wrong. Prove that afrocentric school would be no less immoral. O yes the Arabs just loved blacks so much they decided to re-write the white man's history and repaint them selevetively as blacks. HA HA HA, gimme another one. You ignored that one mosaic was in greek and portrayed aristotle as black. Speaking of which, what evidence do you have that Aristotle was not black? Where did Aristotle write I am a white man? These are the minoans, the earliest greeks, do they look white to you? The ancient greeks and macedonians were UNDOUBTEDLY blacks
  7. Yup, they do it racially, psychologically, and thanks to cameras we are catching it more and more on tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfBario5H-I I could go on and on, there is no more dangerous place for a black child to be than anywhere near a white teacher. White teachers are statisitcally most like to attack and racially abuse black children. Which is why black parents in canada have just left the white system in the dust and opened their own africentric school with black only teachers publicly funded.
  8. This is not necessarily a bad take, the problem is the mainstream eurocentric curriculum denies this all. They erase the blacks out the history books and replace black shakespeare with a white one, just to attack black culture and history. The eurocentric and afrocentric should simply have their own seperate but equal curriculums and schools.
  9. Again, I never said that you cannot have EXCEPTIONS. I already agreed there can be exceptions to most general rules and that there are blacks who have and always had been exceptions to white general racism. Heck there were black senators when whites were still rolling around the south and hanging blacks and dragging them through the streets more openly and the KKK was very powerful. There were black congressmen when jim crow was the norm. Doesn't change the facts that the nation was still racist. Obama is black, did well in school went to harvard, doesn't change the problem with a eurocentric education system. Even if the majority of black students outperformed whites, it still wouldn't fix eurocentric education and the problem.
  10. Speak for your own kind and your own culture. Maybe people in your highly individualistic westernized culture where you drop off your children in day care and your parents in old folks home and only care about yourselves and not your family feel that it is the individual only but no man is an island. Really we are speaking of culture than race proper here. white culture, black culture. Not entire races for the most part. Americans strong Individualism is a social construct, so stop playing games.
  11. No they aren't. According to U.S. Census Bureau data, in an analysis performed by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, African immigrants here were more likely to be college educated than any other immigrant group. Not only that, but African immigrants are also more highly educated than any other native-born ethnic group including white Americans. The 48.9% of all African immigrants that have earned a college degree is slightly higher than the percentage of degreed Asian immigrants, twice the rate of native-born whites, and four times the rate of native-born African Americans. Of the African-born population in the United States age 25 and older, 86.4% reported having a high school diploma or higher, compared with 78. 9% of Asian-born immigrants, and 76.5% of European-born immigrants, respectively. These figures contrast with 61.8% percent of the total foreign-born population. Immigrant groups in general tend to have higher high school graduation rates than the native-born general American population which averages about 70% African immigrants out-graduate American Caucasians and Asians - Chicago Public Education | Examiner.com All this demonstrates is blacks outside the eurocentric system, black immigrants, outperform every other ethnic and racial group in schooling, which is no surprise. I can rig a deck of cards so that a certain playing style will lose and I'd be more likely to win. But if someone new with an unexpected playing style shows up, I cannot go back so easily and re-rig the deck to screw the new player. This is what we are seeing in modern Americas. The whites long ago tried to rig the deck against non-whites who were mainly aboriginals, blacks, hispanics. But then when the card game was in full swing asians showed up to the table. They couldn't very well just re-rig the entire deck. Although, there is a very simple way that whites could screw over the vast majority of Asian students. I've seen it done but don't want to give any ideas to any racist who might be reading this. Now the whites very well couldn't go and re-rig the entire deck infront of everyone openly anymore. So they came up with affirmative action to keep white numbers a majority in the elite schools and use "Soft skills" like intellectual vitality and leadership potential to keep down the number of wins by the Asians. If a race other than whites perform better than whites, despite white rigging the system in their own favour it simply mean the white effort was not entirely successful. When you rig a deck of cards, its not to win every hand, its just to win most of them. And I don't mean to say there is a big conspiracy and all whites are meeting in a big room and are in on this. Most whites TODAY aren't even aware of this. It is about getting an unfair advantage and not competing on a level playing field. A top poker player can still probably whip you on your own rigged deck. It would be impossible to prove the system wasn't designed to favour whites, because this is what they were designed to do. I do find it weird, how white people design things for whites, and then pretend as if these are designs that were meant to be universal. If you go to an aboriginal university, you'd recognize it was built for aboriginals. If you go to a chinese university you'd recognize it was design for chinese success. If you go to a HCBU or Hispanic university you'd likely recognize it was designed for black and hispanic success. But when we come to white schools and white school system established, designed, created and made for and by whites, suddenly you cannot see it anymore. It is like you are blind to anything that might benefit you for being white. And this is what is typically called white privilege. A chinese person wouldn't be so folly as to pretend like a Chinese university was not designed for the success of chinese but was designed for "Everyone" If you are going to demonstrate a system not designed to favour white cultures, you are going to have to show a system where the driving and predominant forces who created didn't do so for and by whites.
  12. I think we can all agree racism exist. I am saying their are cultural differences between how european whites learn and african americans. If different cultures learn differently, is it racist to point this out? I doubt, it is no more racist to point out that white europeans prefer a certain style of education that suited their needs in the past but has since become archaic, than Africans, than it is to say Chinese and American students have different curriculum and learn in different ways. Different cultures have different curricula and learn in different ways. Sadly, your last comment is how many whites have come to view the world. I already addressed the point of why color blindless is wrong and a more subtle form of racist ideology. You can go back and read it, no need for me to repost. Why is it so hard to respect people's differences rather than deny them?
  13. Without going very deeply into the study and its sampling methods, there'd be no way. But I'd take the numbers at face value. Its not the numbers I dispute. Its the erroneous conclusion being drawn from them. If Asians perform better at math, that doesn't mean the system is geared towards them. In fact it is much more likely that the eurocentric system when it was being designed simply didn't take in mind asians (ignored them due to their small numbers compared to the other groups after all jim crow wasn't directed at asians was it?) so it is not specifically constructed against them like the eurocentric system is constructed against blacks, hispanics and aboriginals in north america. Although the eurocentrics are now getting clever and have in the last 20-30 years made things like "leadership", "Creativity" and other soft skills which whites are said to possess and asians are said to lack, as a large part of the university application process to weed out Asians. This is why an Asian student needs higher sat than a white student to gain entrance to the same school. But most whites don't want to have that conversation. It doesn't fit the narrative of other races are lazy. What I do find weird though, is many white posters obsessions with asian students on a topic that doesn't really involve them. This is a discussion between whites and blacks and on those races and cultures. Anything else is a red herring, a wild goose chase and a diversion. But its almost like they erroneously believe well if one minority beats a certain part of a racist system, then the system isn't racist. So Hollywood is racist. It has a long history of racism. But by their logic because there are alot of blacks in Hollywood, then Hollywood isn't racist to Asians despite portraying them in a highly negative and racist manner? Jeremy lin was called racial slurs by espn and several other media white companies. He was overlooked because he was not white and because he was asian. He was discriminated against. Yet blacks in basketball generally don't face this type of discrimination. Because whites have a "positive" stereotype about blacks in this regard. Would it be fair to conclude whites in basketball and sports are never racist? I doubt it. What you are seeing is the dichotomy of white racism. Where white racism says blacks are good athletes, blacks may enjoy a small advantage compared to OTHER MINORITIES. And it may very well be the reverse occuring in the educational system. Asians may enjoy a small advantage in this regard to OTHER MINORITIES. The white teachers don't attack Asian students in the same way they attack other minorities because of white racial stereotypes about Asians. Just like it'd be unlikely a black would be racially attacked by a white on the basketball court. In otherwords, white racial stereotyping picks minorities as favourites in certain parts of society that the whites choose. And in some ways these can even become self fulfilling prophesies.
  14. I guess we could agree the public school system should be displaced. In canada the child has to be sent to school. I think homeschooling is legal as an alternative. Many parents don't have the time to create a whole curriculum in addition to working and monitor their kids. If the issue was for me personally, it would be a non-issue. You have not identified any contradiction. And being forced to pay for public schools is not a different matter it is the same matter, eurocentrick education. Why should non-whites pay for white only education and then bare the additional cost of home and or private school. Why not a fair system for all, ie. voucher style or speciality schools. 1. Your question is about us public schools systems in general. The topic are about canada. So we are kinding talking past each other here. I have not argued from intimidation, I simply pointed out their inability to see the obvious. If you cannot see 1+1= 2, what else do you call it? I never started the mike brown thing it was the other poster who is likely a troll. I did not plea ignorance, the truth is its all a speculative thing, none of us was there so it is useless to endlessly speculate. 2. Yes I believe aristolte was indeed a black man based upon the accurate picture of him I have seen throughout museums not under eurocentrick history re-writing. I have gone to museums where they put a white aristotle painting in the front and when me and the curator go to the back they have the original and he is portrayed as black. And they say, it would create to much issues to put the black one on display even though it is the original because many people want to believe that aristotle and the ancient greeks were white, when they were not. 3. If it is your claim the French did not do the Rwandan genocide, you need to demonstrate evidence which contradicts the findings of the courts and commissions who found precisely that. The onus is not on me because it is common knowledge and I presented the links and evidence which shows the courts have already determined french guilt. If you want to argue the opposite of what the courts and commissions have found and to oppose what the french have apologized for you better have some damn good evidence. Was there a court who found the french responsible for murdering 6 million jews? And if they were collaborting with Hitler, I'd sure imagine they have quiet a bit of responisbility. The only straw man have been the ones you are manufacturing in your straw factory, the argument you presented was indeed grossly invalid and non-sensical to compare apples and coconuts. You made a terrible analogy and its not at all logical. The fact that you are now admitting the analogy is bad, is only proof you know your own argument was bad. Afrocentrism of public schools is a necessary and required step to improve the educational system. After all if eurocentric education is so wonderful, why is the american educational system so deeply in the toilet. If our system is so great, why aren't we number one? Not only are non-whites doing poorly in the system, white students are doing poorly in the eurocentrick system and more of the same bad system won't fix America. Ironically africentric school outperforms eurocentric schools here in toronto and canadian education system outranks american eurocentric system. Just accept your 25 in the world educational model stinks. Stop being so stubborn and hard of learning. America isn't always number 1.
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