Hi,
There is a lot of cheap land on sale today. You can get 40 acres for under 20,000$, or 2 acres for under $5000. Just search for "land" on eBay! Here's one:
http://www.ebay.com/...90&cmd=ViewItem
However, the land at such low prices will be far from a big city (1 day-s drive). If I buy such land, I wouldn't be able to be there on "weekends", but it will be a month a year type of thing. On this land I could build a factory that produces a product. I could build the DIY machines according to http://opensourceecology.org/
Eventually, whatever I do build on that land will have a value, and the product I make could sell to make profit.
Perhaps, if it is successful, we could attract more people, and slowly grow a little factory town.
Alternatively, we can organize a base-camp once a year to bring objectivists together, and/or hobbyist to build DIY stuff.
We won't be able to absolutely hide ourselves from the "moochers" and the "looters", but the remoteness will help.
What I am looking for:
- someone who wants to have a physical sandbox to be creative in. (The physical analog of what a computer provides to hobby programmers).
- someone to develop the plan with of where to buy the land startegically, and the options what to do with it.
- design it so that it is not a burden but free of insane costs (example: if there is a high property tax, it should be split among enough members so that it is not hard to pay).
Boris
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 04:35 PM
I think you would need to choose an area first and then find people within a reasonable distance who would like to participate. I'm in Colorado so Oregon's a little far for it to make sense to me. Likely I wouldn't want to drive for 3 days to build and visit a yurt on cheap land when I could do that a couple hours outside of Denver. Same with the factory building. I have a good deal of construction background but building a "factory" doesn't tell me enough to know whether it is something that would appeal to me or that I could contribute to in any meaningful way. Let alone whether it is likely to succeed or be worth investing in. So, basically, I recommend getting more specific with your idea so that it can be critiqued and be less floaty.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
...or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings;
but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause,
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly.
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.-Teddy
...or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings;
but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause,
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly.
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.-Teddy
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:33 AM
Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.
Take a look at the list of machines:
http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php
One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.
I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.
Boris
Take a look at the list of machines:
http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php
One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.
I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.
Boris
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:01 AM
Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.
Take a look at the list of machines:
http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php
One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.
I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.
Boris
Well, as I mentioned in my post, I like this thing: http://opensourceecology.org/ -- we could build it, and start selling either complete products, or organize workshops for other enthusiats to build them.
Take a look at the list of machines:
http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs.php
One of them is a Linear Solar Concentrator, which on its own, even without all the others, is very interesting alternative energy for those who need to be off grid (remote areas). I think they have a pontential, because they are really cheap compared to solar panels.
I'm not 100% stuck here in Vancouver, Canada, I could fly also, if this is gonna be once or twice a year type of thing, is a solid block, like a month each time.
Boris
I've seen their stuff. Their neat ideas but some strike me as a little redundant. What I am wondering though is what you are hoping to accomplish. To build something to sell? To build those machines to sell? Just to have a cheap vacation home where you can play with big legos? What's the goal?
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
...or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings;
but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause,
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly.
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.-Teddy
...or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings;
but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause,
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly.
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.-Teddy
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:30 AM
I think my immediate goal is to have a sandbox playground, as a stepping stone. I don't own any land on which I can be Francisco to make a waterwheel. I can only do that now in a virtual world of computers. Best thing is to start tinkering with something and call it a hobby, and the unique ideas will follow. I'm sure that I will stumble on something that I could sell. The open-source hardware project and Fab Lab concept is a way to learn new skills that will enable creativity down the road.
I found really cheap land right across the USA border, which is convenient for me since I live in Vancouver, Canada. So I will buy it there and will have no problem to commute. I am planning to buy a cargo container ($3000) inside which I will have the workshop, and which I will lock when I am away. The biggest issue is how to protect myself from theft, hence the cargo container. I am also going to install hidden GPS trackers in all my equipment.
I found really cheap land right across the USA border, which is convenient for me since I live in Vancouver, Canada. So I will buy it there and will have no problem to commute. I am planning to buy a cargo container ($3000) inside which I will have the workshop, and which I will lock when I am away. The biggest issue is how to protect myself from theft, hence the cargo container. I am also going to install hidden GPS trackers in all my equipment.
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