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Thank you dream_weaver for your brave statement about risking policing the world. That took the courage I didn't have, in order to pose a legitimate, and very un-PC solution. I understand that each case must be considered in context and, since none of us want war, the matter to remove a statist dictatorship from the global marketplace (while justifiable if in some cases), is a very serious matter. I realize how serious now. Good one dream_weaver. And I'm not implying your hawkish. I'm saying you offered one scary, legitimate solution. And as to your part about using the Gulch's cornfield to adjust to the market situation; I think that that is what will happen in this hypothetical while the people discuss/debate a solution to resolve the "tainting" of their lassies-faire system. Thanks. Your solution is valid. I wanna read more solutions.

Let me pose a hypothetical concrete: People in Galt's Gulch will buy their Corn from a statist nation's corn seller because it's cheaper (due to subsidies) than the corn sold in the Gulch. And since the only coersive monopolies are by govt intervention, the Gulch will be tainted by a coersive monopoly. The statist govt will loot its neighbors when it runs low on subsidy monies so the natural course of monopoly removal won't apply to the coersive monopoly. This will be govt intervention into the Gulch's economy. It doesn't matter if it's a foreign govt...it's govt intervention into the Gulch's economy, thereby tainting the laissez-faire system, in fact negating it by definition. How can this evil be prevented by a Gulch Govt remaining in its proper role? & please don't say that a man in the Gulch who wants corn should willingly pay the higher Gulch price. We know that capitalists vote with their dollars (as it should be). NOTE: GALT'S GULCH IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL HAS A ROBUST MILITARY AND A COMPETENT POLICE FORCE. AND GOOD DIPLOMATS.

JANSKYN youre still missing the point. Repairman, your knowledge of mixed-economies is helpful for foreseeing the problems that'll occur when a laissez-faire economy trades with those types of economies. Reidy you are right when you say no to retaliatory tariffs and you are in the right area of my search for solutions. Tariffs, though inappropriate in laissez-faire, are a type of solution considered to combat the skewing of a markets natural forces and I thank you for putting us on a solution footing. Aristotle used to genuinelyproferr the theories of those he knew were wrong (which helped me to confirm their wrongness) & you, Reidy, did a good Aristotelian deed. JANSKYN, you said govt'll handle it & now you shared with us govt's proper role in economics. But we're talking about a hypothetical laissez faire utopia dealing with nations who cheat and won't be put out of business by market forces for many years because they can force their citizens to comply with their economic-interventionist policies. Protectionism by a laissez-faire government would of course be wrong, but I'm glad it was mentioned as a solution often proposed by mixed economies dealing with each other. We all understand the role of govt. Protecting and retaliating against the use of force (foreign govts' market coersion) so maybe we can consider the issue along those lines, among others. Thanks.

Dearest Repairman. I'm a newbie to this site (but I've been a devoted Objectivist, studying hard and thinking about it for 5 years and rereading Hugo too), so as a newbie I don't know if you got a direct response. If not, yes, you understand what I mean by tainted; it's obvious to everybody this topic is for. I don't mind clarifying connotations, & as Objectivists, I think most of us already have the same understanding of certain things we use as premises ti build on, which will save the time we'd waste reducing concepts back to the axioms. Thanks for taking an interest in an issue I'm trying to figure out. I love this think tank.

That last one was for JASKN. This is for you, Repairman: Yes. I do mean things such as the govt subsidies of oil. And yeah our US mixed economy is guilty of many market tainted evils. I BELIEVE THERE IS A WAY TO TRADE GLOBALLY IN A LAISSEZ FAIRE UTOPIA. I don't know how yet. I am not trying to disprove Objectivism (It can't be done). I wanna figure out how it will work in this 21st century global market. It's a tough question. Any ideas are appreciated.

By tainted, I mean the market distortions caused by trading with businesses subsidized by the governments of mixed economies (among other things the economic intervening of governments do to skew the natural machinations of Capitalism). Shall I name them all or aren't they well know by now? Shall I define my uses of the words distortions and skewing or are you ready to stop pretending to answer the question (in your first sentence with your allusion to a government that'll somehow make sure the system remains Laissez-Faire? I believe it can be done. I don't know how yet. "Govt'll handle it" aint a good enough answer for me. How will the govt protect a Laissez-Faire system while citizens import/export to/from nations aided or hindered by their mixed economies (which taint the market)?

How could a nation with Laissez-Faire Capitalism remain untainted while trading with mixed-economies?