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  1. Please see my latest post on why I think Objectivists would and/or should. What intimidation? Indeed, and many people are in a similar position as you are. However, there are many ways to aid and steer this project other than moving. Recruiting members, donating money (join as a friend of the FSP), writing essays or OpEds, etc. are what others have done. -Rich
  2. Oh, I'm sorry, I assumed, with the typical result, that was your site and that you were, as a corollary, a member of the FSP. And I have no idea about them either, I've never seen it before or seen anyone connected with it. -Rich
  3. Wow, um, can you please explain what flow of logic led you to this conclusion. I could possibly see utopians, idealists, or dreamers, but a secular cult? That I missed. -Rich
  4. Is what I said in my earlier post an incorrect assessment? (i.e. "I didn't say you'd be stealing, I said you'd be second-handing. You will be reaping the benefits of the state we will have created while you have done nothing to aid us. You consume, but do not create.") My point to you and this forum is that the FSP is an excellent project for Objectivists to actively become involved in. Consult the literature on the thinking behind the FSP and New Hampshire. Objectivists are just as marginalized as us activists for liberty in the shaping of laws and the culture we live in. We have so m
  5. First off, your warning is unjustified. I had not noticed it until you pointed it out. Please quote me where I am out of line. Read this discussion again. I did not bring Libertarianism into this discussion, others did and I have attempted to move away from it (the discussion of Objectivism and the hostility to Libertarianism, which I hope to have time to reply to also tonight, is appropriately under political philosophy). I am focusing on the Free State Project itself and why Objectivists should sign on, or at the very least, be friendly to and/or support the project. Moreover, I intent
  6. Of course it's a blank-slate, because the Free State Project is not about a specific political platform/slate of policies. It is solely about getting 20,000 activists to support a society for the protection of life, liberty, and property to move to NH. It is up to the people that move to bring these abstract ideas into eventual existence and meaning through political activism. We do not know what the eventual Free State that is created will look like..(free) societies are chaotic systems. So, I ask you to ask yourself, do you have in your mind what a society that protects life, liberty
  7. I didn't say you'd be stealing, I said you'd be second-handing. You will be reaping the benefits of the state we will have created while you have done nothing to aid us. You consume, but do not create. I'm as selfish as you, but I guess I am not as short sighted and/or idle when an opportunity to live in and create a state for individual freedom to flourish comes knocking. I will take that as a no. And I have no problem with you advocating Objectivism. What I am saying is that talk is cheap. How about you and the others on this list create an Objectivist Project to get Objectivi
  8. Its as well defined as the Objectivist political philosophy of Capitalism (care to argue this one?) It is justifiably presumed that people have the intellectual basis for liberty or else people wouldn't be pissed off or motiviated enough to move. A dare say you should come to a Free State Project meeting in your area and meet some of us. -Rich
  9. It is not libertarian sponsored, but please enlighten me as to what is so contrary to Objectivism in the following statement: I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. -Rich
  10. I know that is what you said, but it strikes me as un-objectivist. You will be second-handing the state we build, not by the point in time you were born, which you cannot help, but by conscious choice. And you are going to wait until that point so that everything has to be rebuilt and billions of people die instead of getting involved now? Not quiet yet, but look around...is this the United States you wish to support? Do not go gently into that good night...Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Build your life in NH and help build a Free State. -Rich
  11. I'm glad to see this. Hopefully you can help me in convincing more Objectivists (on this forum) to sign the statement of intent -Rich
  12. Yes, because we realize that there is not one absolute system which uniquely leads to individual liberty. Moreover, there are individual differences in how people define having liberty and what rights entail. We recognize this and build a political structure around it: live and let live. I'd say Captialism holds resources should be owned/controlled by private individuals. It is Objectivism which holds reason as absolute. But it's late and I could be wrong...I'll talk to you all tomorrow. -Rich
  13. Hi. Thanks. I'll try and find some time to read or at least skim that discussion. -Rich
  14. argive99: Ehh, I think I will blame you Yes, and if you read their thinking, Libertarian Socialism, which while contrary to Objectivism, is a consistent idea. While I disagree with its justification for this, it views economic socialism as the path to achieiving liberty. Libertarianism is simply the political philosophy which holds liberty and freedom as the highest political value. Of course various ideologies embrace libertarianism, freedom is a basic desire of man and there are multiple ways to skin a cat. Heh, Objectivism is no more in its infancy that libertarianism. Rand
  15. RadCap: Okay, Objectivism is the entire philosophy, the moral part is what is relevant to the arguement. You are right that libertarianism does not advocate any particular ethic, epistomology, or metaphysics, but this is for the same reason a toaster does not have an input for dishwasher fluid. Both are appliances, but a toaster and a dishwasher seek to do different things. Objectivism takes a solid position on ethics, metaphysics, aesthetics, etc as it must. Libertarianism is a political philosophy however and only deals with man's relation to his government. In this respect, it is
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