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  1. OK, First--Ditch the Jesuit/Catholic/Religion thing--religion is BULLSHIT and INCOMPATABLE with OBJECTIVISM: You cannot be a subjectivist AND an oBJECTIVIST AT THE SAME TIME--No Way! Second--Stand Alone just like John Galt ! Never worry about whether or not you are being accepted ! If being accepted by others is among your highest values, then join a church, and drop Objectivism. Streamline
  2. Hi, I'm new here, and thought I'd add my two cents on this rather old debate. I maintain that debating this particular issue is absurd since christianity is not founded on argument. Anyone who has read the christians' "holy text"--a book titled The Bible, is well aware that this book is not only shot through with absurdities, but repetitively discounts and even condemns the use of reason. For example, the "apostles" were instructed to assert their claims in Greece (that place where men were known for their adherence to reason), and then wipe their feet if they were not automatically believed without question. Indeed, the greeks (and their reason) were loathed by the early christian apostles--read the book for proof of this. All through that book, those who believe (without proof or signs) the utterly arbitrary claims of Jesus and the apostles are held up as role models who find favor in the eyes of some "god" by virtue of their gullibility. "Today is the day of salvation," we are told. "There is no time to read this book before believing it because, afterall, where will you go if you die tonight?" "He who doubts is damned," we are warned. In the bible, anyone who believed the claim that Jesus was the messiah, was called a "believer," and a believer was supposed to be a person who was entitled to go to "heaven." Anyone who failed to believe the claim that Jesus was the messiah was called an "unbeliever," an apostate, a filthy sinner, a reprobate, a fool, etc. and was told that he would be punished in another world on account of his failure to automatically believe or form the prescribed and necessary sets of opinions required to escape that punishment. In the bible, "Believers" were urged to stand fast, resist reason, and hold on to their religious notions until their deaths, lest reason and evidence should sway their opinions, thus rendering them damnable, deserving to be punished in some fiery underworld called "hell." These people who attempt to pass off their religiosity as the product of a calm, cool, carefully reasoned and logical deliberation or conclusion based on evidence and facts are the farthest thing from the characters in their own "holy book" wherein everyone who was "saved" merely heard the arbitrary claim spoken, and immediately believed, without recourse to any of these ridiculous debates as can be seen in this thread. Streamline
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