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  1. Intelligence tests were first designed to comb through people in poverty, identify those with potential and invest in their education. Some contributing factors of intelligence having upward mobility are basic nutrition, stable emotional environment, caring family members, not being shot at, willingness to take on responsibility, negotiation skills, writing/speaking skills, openness, autonomy... Part of the flag waving American Pride is the implication that humans seem to have gotten a lot smarter in the last 200 years in proportion to their freedom and value for individual independence.
  2. I agree. I've been on a Jordan Peterson youtube marathon the last couple weeks, as I do with many people who interest me. His lectures are packed so full of information. He reads a book a day, and says the more you know the more you realize how much more you don't know. I've sensed his limits on a few issues, wouldn't it be nice to have a couple hundred more years to take things in and put them together in useful ways.
  3. In this image, the space in the center (the mean) shows the average IQ scores for the vast majority are the same, and the real differences arise in the small gaps at the edges which are the outliers.
  4. The people I care about matter to me in many different ways, their intelligence being one aspect. In prison drug use has probably diminished the IQ's that many had when they were younger. There are also some very intelligent bastards in prison. This got me thinking about another statistic Jordan Peterson was talking about. That 10% of Americans, the outliers, do not have a high enough IQ to be allowed into the military. They are not smart enough to be shot at, yet they still need to be kept occupied with something productive to do so they don't run around tearing the world up. One can have very low IQ and very high trait conscientiousness and still do a simple repetitive job much better than a robot can.
  5. Yeah, no I don't think I have ever thought that when meeting someone. If I think about the truth I always have a sense that I have something to learn from each person I talk to. They might be dumb as a box of rocks and funny as hell.
  6. Thank you DavidOdden for taking time to consider and express your thoughts on this subject. The context for alternative I am pondering is a model that reflects the amazing technological advances we have seen over the last thirty years. By 1918, every state required students to complete elementary school. These schools were designed to meet the masses of farmers moving into cities for industrial work. The industrial model of children flowing through school like a conveyor belt hasn't changed much in the last hundred years. Some ideas. Bringing together specialists, in many fields, who are learning about how the brain works. Optimizing windows that open at certain periods of development where the acquiring of specific skills are accelerated. Flexibility to foster students to move forward more quickly with what they like and are good at. Skills at sifting through massive amounts of information in order to quickly identify, organize, prioritize information that is useful. Yes, this has been on my mind a lot. My son is eleven years old. He loves learning and hates school. Something is terribly wrong with that. I haven't found an online school that seems like a better option. He has friends he really likes in school. I would be happy to join or help build a system that has half or a quarter of in-person education while also seeing him much more dynamically engaged in an online education that plays more like a video game than the repetitive drudgery he keeps bringing home for homework. In the last six years we have only had one teacher who put real thought into her job. I've watched hundreds of You-Tube videos about creativity and education. Many in-person schools seem amazing, but I don't have the money for tuition, and moving expenses. I am currently working on setting clear goals to figure out how to move into a better life situation, which takes time. The online resources I am finding are incredibly helpful, while at the same time I am feeling frustrated that this information wasn't available to me in school twenty years ago.
  7. If Jordan Peterson's premise is correct (He has done more research into the subject than I have) I might contemplate how this affects me on an individual level. If I realize I am talking to a person who belongs to a demographic with an average higher IQ, and I theoretically have a median IQ, I might assume they have a 60% chance of being smarter than me. If a person belongs to the bottom 40% of their group, and they haven't tested their own IQ they might have a higher chance of inflating their own intellectual value by associating inappropriately with the extreme cases in the group they identify with. I see this with people who are interested in Objectivism, who obviously have no where near the intellectual capacity of Ayn Rand, attempting go exert some authority by using her words. At the same time, extremely talented individuals who belong to any group you identify with have the power of being role models you can understand, and you may improve your own intelligence by learning what you can from each of them.
  8. Unrealistic expectations kill any chance at a meaningful relationship with friends, partners, or family. In the beginning people look for virtue signaling, and red flags. If she is a single mother, she may be struggling with her own responsibilities. If the father of her child has been irresponsible, she may not be handling her emotional damage as well as she would like. Women have a much shorter fertility window, so if she wants another child she may be in a hurry to find someone who seems to really want to be with her. She may not want to seem needy, as though a man is doing her a big favor by taking on a family that isn't biologically his. A lack of fatherly tendencies a man shows toward potential step children are huge deal breakers as well. The impact of biological forces and hormones can be overwhelming to clear cognitive function in some. If you can see and treat her like a real human being regardless of your sexual desire, it is a sign of strong frontal cortical activity and executive brain function. Sexual desire placed above the value of the individual most often leads to a pattern of cheating. Humans have only had sexual equality for a hundred years in a small part of the world, so we are all still trying to figure out how to be ok with each other. In the past a woman wasn't allowed to be friends with a man unless he was her brother or cousin. Establishing true friendships with the opposite sex has provided me, and individuals I know with valuable insight, it raises your standards. If you know any happy couples in healthy relationships you might want to spend time communicating with both partners about how they negotiate the challenges they have faced. If you want a lasting relationship you need an honest reliable partner who is going to be there through health issues, tragedy, misunderstanding. Overwhelming insecurities and unwillingness to communicate will lead to many problems down the road. Think of this as a valuable learning experience. Relationships are not going to be pain free, that is one reason we test each other in the beginning.
  9. Have you ever had a personal sentimental item, attached to the memory of a person who is gone, stolen from you? I have. No amount of shouting in the street about what is fair is going to stop human malevolence and ignorance. If I want to approach fair human interactions, I've got to build my own foundation, inspire the cretins to educate themselves, and not waste time bloviating to a choir of one. I come here to find real, unique, interesting intelligent human beings, who happen to adore Ayn Rand for reasons she might have appreciated. I am not here to run around in circles with puppets who spout ideologies with no thought of what any of it means to them personally, individually here and now in the real world.
  10. There is a difference between equalization of opportunity and equalization of outcome. Equalization of opportunity means keeping the starving masses from uprising and destroying the system, while fostering social mobility so that talent can rise from poverty. The loss of millions of individual lives has already shown that we can not force/guarantee equalization of outcome. Working to fight unearned second hand theft is important. Outliers in society are a fact, do you want them to steal your car, or a portion of your paycheck, some portion of your time addressing their source and reduction? There is a problem, it has always been a problem, something is going to happen, which do you choose? People often use portions of Ayn Rand's text without fully integrating her entire philosophy. They haven't earned it. It isn't proper to tell someone what to do, it doesn't work. What one ought to do, and I try, is to be very careful in choosing words. Human societies (including Objectivism) are based on hierarchies. Ayn Rand is at the top, there are varying degrees of competence within the structure of individuals who volunteer to take part in this particular hierarchy. Just as in America, where Objectivism was born, there are conservative and liberal objectivists. When an individual in this social space goes to an extreme each individual chooses how he or she wants to deal with it.
  11. Questions I am asking myself within the context of education: What would a modern alternative comprehensive online school look like? In what context would you be willing to contribute to such an enterprise? What does it mean to read a book a day? What role does humor play in the development of consciousness? How does a call to "Responsibility" and "Meaning" affect the rising generation? How does one develop a balance between ones own body and mind in healthy integration? How does one practice speaking in a compelling way that keeps the interest of your audience? What is the value of self awareness? Do others find you self aware in an argument? How do you hone your skills toward a contentious audience? How do you organize vital information to recall in crucial situations? When you think, do you develop arguments within yourself in order to prepare to meet your opposition? How much effort have you made to improve your writing skill? Who is your target audience? Ayn Rand wrote for herself, but was also reaching toward her ideal man. Would your ideal man have any critical feedback for the way you conduct yourself in the world? Do you have some sense of what you don't know? Have you set goals for what you want to accomplish? In what ways do you abdicate the responsibility toward your aspirations? In what ways do you create meaning in your life? Are there disciplines that have become corrupt that I think I might be interested in and able to take on? What are the common conditions that lead to war? Are there good ways to direct my skills toward entrepreneurial pursuits? What have I learned through the phenomena of social media? Why leave those venues to my adversaries? What are the consequences of recent technological breakthroughs? How can I develop creatively in all aspects of life? Has the quality of life of the people I value and love (and who love me) been sufficiently improved by my presence in their lives? Considering Existence and Consciousness are corollaries: What symbolic void is being left in the world by me not attempting living up to my potential? How do I quantify the education I have acquired? How can I find a way to travel and visit more of this planet in a more intimate way? How can a person be taught to read, think, speak, present, and negotiate in a more efficient manner? What is the Intellectual Dark Web? Clinical Psychologist, and Evolutionary Biologist Jordan Peterson is working toward the development of a less expensive online school. Considering hierarchies are biologically linked to achievement, how do I develop my own competence hierarchy that benefits me as an individual?
  12. I wonder specifically where the distinctions of Jordan Peterson's view of objective reality differ from Objectivism. Ayn Rand used terms like 'God No' and 'God bless you' not because she believed in a literal God, but because she liked what those phrases meant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMIbo_DxJk&t=1139s
  13. "You don’t think through another’s brain and you don’t work through another’s hands. When you suspend your faculty of independent judgment, you suspend consciousness. To stop consciousness is to stop life. Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. "-Ayn Rand, For The New Intellectual A living person is to parrot someone who has died... for a philosophy of life? I don't believe any living Objectivist claims to be Ayn Rand. Only you can direct the action you take to quote her. If it were all quotes it would be like she was just here talking to herself...
  14. Where did the last three weeks go? Went on a road trip; Idaho, Oregon, California, Nevada, Utah, and back to Wyoming. I've been painting a lot since I got back. Its a different part of my brain I use while painting... visual language. I get good at one thing, and push myself to try to challenge myself in a different way and it turns out horrible. Getting over my false pride, so I can earn some real pride is messy and it takes too long, but I am trying.
  15. I appreciate the time each of you has taken to respond. Writing it out and engaging like this is helping to clarify it in my mind. I can send the 21 photos back without buying, technically it seems like no obligation... the obligation is in the emotional manipulation. The garbage waste of so many printed photos is weird; when I was a kid, having your photo taken was a luxury. A photo of your child is a sentimental treasure, even if he is making a loopy face, it sucks throwing them out. It is awkward confronting the photographer, and the school, the time spent doing so, and my son being in the middle of it. You never know who is someones relative, I shouldn't care, but small town drama sometimes bleeds down to the kids. I also don't mind picture day in general, I am buying him a year book, I just don't like the way they are going about it. If I complain they might not take his photo at all. Thinking of burning them is a symbol of rebellion to the whole situation. Maybe it is a risk the photographer wants to take. I know from working for a couple years reproducing fine art, the material cost is probably $3-$5. They can recoup their cost if 20% of parents are susceptible (or interested) enough to pay, which is easier than raising a stink, especially when you don't have a philosophical foundation to consider. At his last school in Salt Lake City, the photographer had three shots, several backgrounds and a variety of sizes to choose from, they were available for order online before printing. Working to make picture day at school more objective is not as challenging as taking on the big problems of the world... I don't know... maybe I will take him down to the river for a photo shoot and print some good ones out myself.
  16. My kid came home with a package of school photos. There is a note with a price list that says: choose the photos you want, and send a check, and send back what you don't want. The package includes a calendar, book marks, key chains with my son's picture on them, 21 photos all together for $36. I don't like the photos, the photographer doesn't do a good job. My kid doesn't understand why I am upset, he is taking it personally, and will be embarrassed to return to school with them, saying his mom doesn't want photos of him. I didn't give them permission to do this. I also don't want to send the photos back, because I don't want them having photos of my kid. What are they going to do with them? Its such a waste and I just want to burn them. We take natural fun photos with our phones all the time, we don't need these. Should doing business this way be illegal? I would appreciate any recommendations on what I ought to say to the photographer, the school, or a higher official.
  17. I am very physiologically affected by emotion, my own and the emotion of others. I don't want to change that about myself because I think it teaches me something. My mind returns to difficult emotions because I want to understand human nature. Objectivism helps me bring emotion into conscious terms. Ayn Rand once said "I very rarely had an emotion that took me more than a couple days to get to the bottom of." I am seeing more objectively the way emotions can be manipulated by or blamed on others. I was listening to an audiobook last year that was interesting. There is a space between what you experience, and how you react. In that space is the story you tell yourself. I can't remember the title.
  18. The Virtue of Selfishness is a 173 page book. According to me... It means self esteem, self respect, trusting myself, introspection, keeping my own counsel, doing the best I can, calling myself out on my own BS, learning. I don't always know if I made an irrational decision, when I notice or when someone I respect points it out, and I agree, then I correct it. Your self is your body/consciousness/memories, a sum total of everything you are and have been. I believe I am a Self first, the -ish follows. If I want to value rational values it is my self that chooses, and I gain confidence on that path. I don't agree with mullahs. Every woman I know has had their body trespassed upon by a man at some point. Having been inappropriately touched by strange men several times in my life brings painful clarity. In theory it is true that it is the man who needs to correct his behavior, not the woman who needs to cover up. But I won't risk my body to prove that point. I choose the level of protection I need for a given situation. Sometimes a bikini, sometimes layers and a weapon. A woman wearing a Burqa believes it is a symbol of honor, it ought to be her own choice, I wouldn't force her to wear it, nor tear it off of her. I believe in this world, as an objective reality, an orange is an orange and not my imagination. This reality contains irrational people and mystics who believe in other worlds. An Objectivist forces no one, but if forced, will respond with force. http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/selfishness.html
  19. Ayn Rand has redefined selfishness, you are using the definition of selfishness that is used by the majority of society, originating when mystics accused the self as the source of all evil. When a person acts against their rational self interest it is a loss of self that they experience. This confusion and disorientation happens to everyone, clarity and fog, integration and disintegration. Humans learn concsiousness by putting attention into returning to the path of rationality. It is painful, I would be horrified to witness that in person, and would probably have nightmares about it. In that moment it is in my self interest to do everything in my power to rationally talk them out of it. I cried once when I saw a video of a large man grab the back of this small girls sweater and pull her off of a ledge of the Golden Gate Bridge. I honestly can't say I think he was wrong. She appeared young and healthy, the possibility of her discovering a value worth living for is there. In another context some people suffer for years with chronic pain making it impossible to really live, if there is no hope of recovery, why force them to continue suffering? As an artist, I think the human body is beautiful, and have enjoyed nudity in a safe family friendly hot springs. I think of a similarity with taxes. Objectivists believe tax is theft, but we still pay our taxes, because we live in a society still largely dominated by mystics. It is a process of development. With greater rational freedom and responsibility nudity would become safer and more common. Women are at risk of being raped even when they wear cloths, the risk would increase when there is no physical barrier. It is a management of available resources. Humans are omnivorous. Where population density increases the incidence of vegetarianism increases, in some places the higher classes would ban eating meat in order to reduce competition for that resource. The further north you travel, the less vegetation available, the more dependent on meat those cultures are. A rational argument will not stop the irrational. Crimes happen every day that can not be stopped. Irrational selfishness has a way of creating enemies, and you risk retaliation. Objectivism is a philosophy chosen through self respect, if you want to be rational.
  20. This is interesting, I often worry that my needs should not be a burden to anyone around me. I know the value of writing in a journal, but hadn't thought of it from the angle of unmet needs. I have avoided seeking a psychologist because of how friends had talked of their experiences, and the Zen/socialistic/egoless perspectives they took. I have some pride about figuring out my own problems for myself, its lonely.
  21. A relationship that can recover from a struggle will be stronger for it. There is an art to genuine apology.
  22. Mixed Premises... Yes Elon Musk chooses to be interested in societies concerns more than most Objectivists do. That is his choice, he has earned it. He is an engineer, a prime mover, an energy generator. If you want to believe he is your enemy, at least give him the respect of being an intelligent formidable enemy, rather than a straw man.
  23. SpaceX is making superior rockets at a quarter of the cost of NASA's bureaucracy. The US Government had been buying cheaper satellite launches from other countries, SpaceX is bringing that business back to the US. SpaceX is also on the way to launching Astronauts, which hasn't been possible in the US since 2011.
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