Jordan Zimmerman
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Not in this thread. Besides, you already know. Why else make the leap to Kelley in this discussion?
I don't know. I've never seen, heard nor read anything from Kelley where he attempts to define Objectivism. So, honestly, I'd like to see where he does.
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edit: re Kelley, he sure as hell did.
Where? Please provide a reference.
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Your willful obtuseness has dissipated the default good will owed to strangers.
As you can imagine, I've reported your posts.
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It does, however, preclude future scholars from creating works that define Objectivism.
I agree with that. Did Kelley do that?
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If you are familiar with the Objectivist theory of concepts you know concepts are open-ended. Philosophy as a subject area and philosophizing as an activity are open-ended. Objectivism is not a concept. Objectivism is a proper noun. Proper nouns refer to a particulars, or as in this case, an enumerated set of particulars. Objectivism is not open-ended. Not open is closed. Objectivism is closed.
Your definition is, of course, correct. But your conclusion isn't. "BMW" is a proper noun and refers to a set of particulars. This set, however, is open-ended in that future cars can be called BMW. Objectivism is the philosophy as stated by Ayn Rand. But, this doesn't preclude future scholars from creating works that are consistent with Objectivism.
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I didn't think I was being insulting, just literal. But evidently not literal enough, so here is the same thing in baby steps:
Anyone can see the condescension in your earlier statement and this one. It's uncalled for and rude.
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Post #75 could not possibly prove such a thing, as explained in post #76. Because of the nature of Objectivism and the nature of death, obviously Rand cannot develop her philosophy further.
You quote her as saying "...job that no philosopher can finish in his lifetime" and "There is an awful lot of work yet to be done." Do you infer from these that Rand felt her philosophy (or any philosophy) can never be finished as a philosopher's life ends?
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Allow me to expand your limited understanding: has identity = closed
No, to have an identity is to exist as something specific. Objectivism, in this context, is the Philosophy of Ayn Rand. The word "closed" means concluded. As Ayn Rand states above, Objectivism is not concluded. "There is an awful lot of work yet to be done".
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Allow me to expand your limited understanding: has identity = closed
Why the insult? Did I insult you? If so, I apologize as I didn't mean to. Can't we be civil?
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What do you mean by "open"? Do you mean that any new truth about Philosophy is Objectivism, even if Rand thought is was false, while being core and well-settled? Would that be "open"?
We've already established that not everything that Rand thought or said is part of Objectivism. So, logically your statement "even if Rand thought is was false" doesn't apply. A philisophical statement is either consistent with Objectivism or it isn't.
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re: posts above this
The posts above do _not_ show where Ayn Rand said Objectivism is "closed". The above quotes show that Objectivism has an identity and that Ayn Rand intended to protect that identity and her intellectual property. Post #75, in particular, proves that Objectivism is not closed in any sense of the word that I understand.
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Did she ever write that it was "closed"? Do you have a reference for that?
I haven't seen a response on this.
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The fundamental truths being what Ayn Rand wrote and approved as part of her philosophy before she closed it.
Did she ever write that it was "closed"? Do you have a reference for that?
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I love Follett. I think, though, his wife is involved in labor politics.
I highly recommend "The Hammer of Eden" it is a good portrayal of the evil philosophy behind environmentalism.
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I live in California, so our electors will be for Obama. I plan to vote NOTA. This is the worst slate of Presidential candidates I've encountered in the 25 year voting career.
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