windyfellow
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Ideally, it would be be a mutual agreement, but if not, then I believe that the decision should rest with the woman because of the fact that in our society women are held more responsible for their children than men, i.e. single mothers are the poorest people in our society.
This is pure pragmatism. I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion, but the reasoning behind it is flawed. The decision rests with the woman independent of what value system "society" holds, and even if single mothers were the richest people in our society, such a thing wouldn't matter.
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"Egoism vs. Altruism" (opponent Robert Krueger), October 2006, Texas State University, San Marcos, Texas
Does anyone know if this was recorded? If so, where could I watch it?
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"Paying Taxes is a patriotic duty!"-Biden
"We can't be making a virtue out of selfishness"- The Lord Almighty Bless His Godly Being Barack Obama
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I personally am horrified by this.
Anyone else have thoughts?I bet some people on this forum were at his victory speech...
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As far as fascism being caused by economic conditions, that is just silly: fascism is caused by ideology, and enabled by a lack of strong principles, like the ones that caused America to uphold individual rights through recessions, wars and even the Great Depression. Those principles are in danger now because of the Republicans, and their ideology is the only one growing dangerously.
Germany. 1930's. 'nuff said.
I'd suggest that you pay more attention to the power of the religious right: Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Pat Robertson, Judge Roy Moore; pay attention to South Dakota and its 2006 ban on abortion brought about by the religious right. Pay attention when these guys talk about the US as a "Christian Nation", and start enacting laws that reflect and enact their religious beliefs. Take note of their underlying theory of jurisprudence and the special status of religious-based laws like DOMA. These laws can have a special pernicious element, the element of "being above the law" (the MPA: No court created by Act of Congress shall have any jurisdiction, and the Supreme Court shall have no appellate jurisdiction, to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of, or the validity under the Constitution of, section 1738C or this section" and similar provisions). This is the thin end of the fascist wedge that we have to worry about. We will have definitely have taxes under either McCain or O'bama: what you should be concerned with is the imposition of new kinds of fascism. At present, I'm quite certain that the current SCOTUS would overturn on constitutional grounds any such "law that is above constitutional challenge" laws, by a vote of 5-4, and equally certain that this whole new form of fascism would be upheld under a court that replaces Stevens with someone of the Scalia-Roberts ilk.Please note that the election of Roosevelt did not lead immediately and directly to a communist dictatorship, and neither will the election of Obama. The proper concern is not the immediate future, the next 4 years; it is the long term. What direction is American politics going? It is veering towards religion, the absolute and principled repudiation of reason. This is the threat that America faces, and consideration of that fact easily leads to the conclusion that Obama is the lesser of two evils. By about 2%.
Obama gives many references to religion in his speeches. He's the first democrat to really use the bible like it is most effective: as a socialist manifesto.
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It's really pretty simple. No Objectivist can actively support McCain as an actually good candidate for president, so that leaves us with three choices. One would be to not vote (equally, vote for Donald Duck or some fringer), and that is a popular option. The second is to vote for the candidate who is least dangerous in terms of individual rights (least directed to a theocracy)
Again with the theocracy... there is NO threat whatsoever of a theocracy. There is threat, however, of our country becoming so burdened with government regulation and taxes that our economy collapses, giving a good opportunity for the rise of fascism.
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Why would an Objectivist vote Obama? I still see no real reasons from anyone here, except for the 'I want the socialists to see what will really happen when they get what they want', but even this is faulty because we all know that the media will continue to blame our problems on material greed and the zombie hordes will hang on their every word.
Some of you say you favor Obama because of McCain's religion.
While I agree that religion is a greater threat than socialism to long-term Objectivist goals, you need to shake off the vision that if McCain is elected we will be living under some theocracy where everyone is forced to be christian. This will not and cannot happen, especially with a democratic congress.
Listen to Barack Obama talk. Or look up his quotes. The stuff this man(if you can call him that) says is if not on par with, is even worse than the things you'll read in Atlas Shrugged.
Plus, Barack Obama is not just a radical socialist, hes throwing religion into the mix, and using the bible as it was intended to be used: as a socialist manifesto.
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I also saw some make assumptions about others. This is almost always bad policy, no matter who does the assuming.
Agreed. Calling him a "right-wing religious nutjob" was out of hand and is a form of collectivism- He is voting for McCain. Right-wing religious nutjobs are voting for McCain. Therefore he must be a right-wing religious nutjob.
If someone is going to use reasoning like this, they cant call themselves an Objectivist.
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The child was not being hostile towards the newcomer... he was simply uninterested because his attention was focused on what he was creating. I'm not going to any further with this, I'll step away and let people draw their own conclusions.
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well it appears I can't edit a post more than once.
god im such a forum noob!
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Thats a fantastic story! I really enjoyed it. I suggest you format it better though, right now its just a block of text, its hard to read.
eh how would I go about that?
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The child eagerly grasped the next block to place upon the basic foundation he had created. After inspecting the block for a moment, he placed it where he judged it best to fit. The child was perhaps 4 or 5 years old, and he sat in the middle of his room on the blue carpeting. The walls were also blue, so similar in color to the carpet that if one were to not focus on anything and let his eyes gaze unfocused while in the room, he would see nothing but a constant light blue as clear as the sky. It was under this sky that the child sat, assembling his block creation. One could not tell by looking at it what it was to be, but could tell that the child had a clear purpose and intention. Each block was examined before being placed, each block undergoing the careful stare of the little boy. The boy continued for some time, building his creation. He could clearly see in his head what his creation was to be upon completion, all that was left was to act, to make his dream a reality, a physical object to be touched and gazed upon. The foundation soon grew upwards, as the child’s manner grew more and more eager and frantic. He was close now, his creation that originated in his mind was on its way into the physical realm.
It was then that the child’s mother appeared int eh doorway, followed by another child. I’ve brought the neighbor for you to play with, she would say, smiling, and the second child looked sheepishly at the first. The first child paused what he was doing for a moment to look up and nod, intent on getting back to his work. He has no blocks of his own at home, the mother would explain, share with him so you can both have fun, she would say. The child agreed to share his blocks with the newcomer, for he was a good child that obeyed his mother. No words were spoken between the two children as they sat there, building. The new child started to hum a tune under his breath while he built. The first child continued on his original project. Time after time he reached into the pile of blocks and set one upon its proper place in the structure. It was hard to imagine the organized structure he was creating to once be a mangled pile of blocks randomly strewn about the floor. As the child entered the final phase of his creation, he reached once again into the pile of blocks only to find… that there was no pile. All the resources had been used, he was out of blocks. The child sighed quietly and looked over to see what his neighbor-friend was creating. What lay in front of the other child was an amorphous blob of blocks that had been piled on top of one another aimlessly, without thought, without purpose. The other child, too, discovered the shortage of blocks and began to cry. He started yelling that there weren’t enough blocks and that he wanted to finish what he was making but he couldn’t. The first child remained silent, staring at his unfinished tower. The mother rushed into the scene, and asked the crying child what was wrong. Not enough blocks, he would cry, I don’t have enough he would shout. The mom looked from the crying child’s chaotic mess of blocks to her own child’s creation and decided there was an uneven distribution of blocks. Son, she would say, let your friend have more blocks so that you can both have a chance to make something, you shouldn’t take so many and make something so big, you should make something smaller so that your friend can have enough blocks. Her son said nothing, just stared silently at his nearly completed creation. You can take as many blocks as you need form him, the mother would say, and after she left the neighbor-friend grasped a block off the top of the other child’s tower. The child did not resist, just sat there watching his creation be destroyed by the grubby hands of the other child. If it was not complete, it was nothing. Completion or nothing, with nothing in between. As he sat and watched his creation slowly deteriorate, the child realized in simple terms that this isn’t the world he thought it was. Though he didn’t realize it then, he is fated to see all of his great creations in life destroyed, broken, and disassembled, if this world is not changed. But nevertheless he will continue to create, continue to use his mind, and continue to think. This is what we are fighting for. We are fighting for this child and his right to build his tower.
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I refute my earlier position. After watching those lectures on ARI I better understand what Objectivism is trying to accomplish in the real world, and religion is a larger threat to that than socialism. However I still don't understand why voting democrat would do anything to hurt the religious movement...
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There's been some good points raised in this thread and reading it I've come to the conclusion that voting libertarian would be the best thing to do. Now I know that they don't have a shot in hell of winning, and a large libertarian vote would hurt the republicans and help Obama, but if libertarians garner a (relatively) large voting base, 2 beneficial things could happen:
1. Libertarians would get more media coverage. The rational thing for the news networks to do would be to cover the libertarian candidate in order to increase ratings, however one can hardly trust the mainstream media to act rationally
2. The Republican party would try to appeal to those libertarian voters. Though we may despise the republican party, lets face it: they are the only realistic chance we have at preserving personal freedoms at the moment, and them being influenced by the libertarians wouldn't be a bad thing.
I hate this election
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EGM and 1up as a whole use every opportunity to interject their liberalism into their publications. It usually comes across as pretty crude.
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That's not specific at all. "Preaches" and "blindly" are, if I'm not mistaken, both metaphors, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are definitely preaching a welfare state too.
Those are all principles of communism, and here's another good one by Karl:
5. The combination of agriculture and manufacturing industries with the gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by the more equable distribution of the population over the country. (Ouch. There goes Al Gore.)
Still communism, by the way.
I did not use preaching metaphorically. To preach is to deliver a religious message in a sermon. How is an Obama rally different from a Sunday church service? He chants a word that has no meaning("change") and the crowd cheers with tears of admiration in their eyes.
And explain to me what you meant by "Ouch. There goes Al Gore"
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By "them" I mean anyone who preaches a welfare state and those who blindly follow the preacher.
And by Marxist beliefs I was referring to what Karl Marx is famous for and what I assumed you would think of when you see his name mentioned- communism. Perhaps I should have said "altruistic beliefs" but the meaning stays the same.
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Can you identify any positive unifying factor or ideology at the base of the leftist movement? No. It's all scare-mongering and claiming catastrophes, which are getting old. While global warming hysteria or whatever may motivate people to some stupid *short term* action, the wise man looks always to the *long term*. When the threats don't manifest, the scare will die out. Eventually even the die-hards will start to realize that the left has simply cried wolf too often.
Having no ideology does not automatically dismiss them as a threat- in fact it increases the danger as they are random and prone to sudden obsessive fits over fake issues-like global warming. I agree that they only look to the short-term, and that the wise men look to the long term. That is exactly the reason you should be wary of them even more so than the republicans.
If you think for a moment that liberals would abandon their beliefs you are mistaken. They have become so emotionally tied to their Marxist beliefs that no amount of reason will change their minds- leftism has become a RELIGION, and it is a religion far scarier than the christianity practiced by the religious right.
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I don't think Rand would care for an apology, anyway
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People *are* fleeing to religion in droves, however. This is the rising new ideological power in the world and must be fought. It has nothing to do with specific cases but the simple fact that the religious ideology is strong and getting stronger, whereas the leftist ideology has already disintegrated and is guaranteed to be random and ineffectual over the long run.
How can you say that the leftist ideology has disintegrated? And where is your evidence that people are fleeing to religion in droves? I'd even dare to say religion is being weakened over time due to the leftist agenda of the mainstream media. Yes, a 'fight against religion' sounds heroic and makes great fiction, but the point is that with a leftist president and congress our country will be damned until the policies implemented by these marxists collapse on themselves and we are reduced to a state of global poverty.
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But what happens when the illiterate read it?!
Edit: I guess, then, something like this occurs.
that... was... terrible....
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Whew, you're late to that debate. There are thread all ove here discussing this issue.
really? I never found anything specifically about this... it's come up under other topics but I wanted a debate solely about these statements made by Mr. Peikoff. Maybe i'm not looking hard enough...
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Great movie, especially for objectivists. thoughts?