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  1. This is what I said in my OP. You all have asked me to provide proof. I knew I didn't have to because one of you would. Now the question you have to ask yourself is, under these same circumstances that Fletch has provided. Do you think you could keep yourself from doing things any differently than these two people? I have not come here to offend anyone, I have not come here to make false accusations. One thing none of you have asked me is if I agree with Ayn Rand on any of her teachings. To answer that question, yes, but as you can see there are things I do disagree with. But I can see too that I want to know more about "why" I do the things I do also. And perhaps this isn't the board for me. I would like to say that it's been nice talking to you all, and I do appreciate all of your input. I apologize for not addressing each one of your posts. I would like to give you something to consider if I may. Take it for what it's worth. Being nobody is a freedom in itself. I don't have to compete with any one of you in any area, all I have to do is be the best that "I" can be, and if that just happens to be the best there is, then that's just a bonus. One of the reasons I chose this username is based on the western with Terrence Hill and Henry Fonda called "My name is Nobody". I recommend it, I think you'd enjoy it. Thanks again for your input.
  2. I want to show you all something. Read what JMegan wrote in this post. http://forum.ObjectivismOnline.com/index.p...st&p=202202 And consider the quote from Ayn Rand in my OP. Now look back over your answers to me. What do you see? I have been studying human behavior for 25+ years, there are inherent characteristics we have that are similar. Otherwise words like optimistic and pessimistic would have little meaning. I know what I see in your answers, and JMegan points to it. The first thing we do is discredit the information and berate the person. I have not berated any of you. I've presented the facts about human behavior. Under the right circumstances we are capable of anything. With encouragement and study I could write a much better paper than you David, because I have that capacity in me as well. It's not a matter of optimism or pessimism, it's whether we allow anyone else to hold us back. That's why we all want freedom. The freedom to do what we want to do. But.... and here's the contrast. This is why I said what I did about the ideal "live and let live" society. Often times we don't realize, that as an entrepreneur, that person who cleans the office or answers our phones, is our slave. We dictate where they live and how they live, and whether they can advance, simply by education alone, or the lack thereof in many cases. We dictate all of this in their lives, simply by how much we pay them. Now you want to know the sad thing? All of this is true. All you have to do to confirm it, is watch the news and you will hear a story (from time to time) about someone who did something, that friends and family will testify they could never do. All you have to do is go to a mall and watch people do what they do when they think nobody is watching. (N0b0dy has been watching for the last 25+ years). All you have to do is talk to the cleaning person or the person who answers your phones. Maximus, I beg to differ with you my friend. You are a man, an "old soldier" and a dad are you not? I have played no word games here. I hate them too.
  3. But look at this conversation as it has evolved in this short amount of time. The two negatives that were in the OP has been the focus. Am I optimistic that we can understand this side of us, and choose not to follow that path. Yes, I am. As I said, just as we are capable of self-destruction, we too are capable of wondrous things. Optimistic and pessimistic are all in the way you perceive the message at hand. There was only a minute part of that OP that pointed to a negative. What do you really think the intended focus was? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
  4. Note that I say, under the right circumstances. Under the right circumstances we as individuals and as a whole are capable of anything. If I apply myself and learn something, I can do anything you are capable of doing in the business world. And under the right circumstances we are capable of self-destruction as well. Yes, we have the capacity to love and create wondrous things, but not to look at the other side of the coin, would be to say it doesn't exist, and that would be a lie. All we have to do is look at the history of mankind. So I'll ask again, am I an Objectivist?
  5. You answered your own question in the bold text. If to no one but myself, I am somebody, even if I am nobody to everybody else.
  6. Hi, I’ll try this again. As it’s obvious, I’m new to this board. I chose the username I did, for a specific purpose. I posted an intro that was short that had more than one purpose as I’ve shared with RationalBiker, since it got tossed in the trash, and I got labeled a troll. Here is what I said in my other intro, which I will explain this time. Then you can decide if you want me to stick around or not. I’ll accept whatever you all decide. There are certain inherent characteristics that make up each one of us. As a group we are everybody, in that group we could be anybody, but make no mistake we are somebody and yet nobody in that group. Although this looks cryptic, and Zen-like as RB expressed to me in our chat. It really isn’t. What it is is a deeper understanding of human nature. Let me explain. I know that I am capable of anything any of you are. This makes up the group known as everybody in this post. I know that under the right circumstances I am capable of committing murder, and so are you. I know under the right circumstances I am capable of following whatever my hearts desire is. And so are you, even if that included having an affair with your wife or girlfriend, after all, I’d be following one of the core principles of Objectivism. I am, in essence no different from anyone on this board because this is human nature. So this covers the “I’m Everybody” part of that OP. Because I can’t make up the entire group known here as “everybody”. It’s safe to say, not only am I anybody I am somebody in that group. I am no different from any of you, capable of whatever you are capable of because that’s just human nature. But at the same time I’m nobody. In a crowd of people I can stand/sit there all day and unless someone speaks to me or I them, I’m just a face in the crowd, I’m nobody to everybody else there. I might as well not even be there, because who really cares if I am? This is the spectrum used in the last part of my OP. It doesn’t matter if I’m me, or you, or a beggar on the street, or a CEO in an office. If the beggar and the CEO were to trade places, would I treat them any differently? Not really. Because I’m really only looking out for my own self-interest, and unless they have something to offer, they remain, “nobody” to me. Just as I do with you unless I show you I have something to contribute that would be beneficial to your own self-interest. This hits on the understanding of the first 3 core principles of the Objectivist philosophy. My POV cannot change that fact, because facts are facts. The fact is, it’s human nature to do what we do for our own self-interest and self-preservation. For the fourth core principle to ever be able to be applied, we would all have to be of one mind, and one agreeable understanding. Which in essence would be the ideal “live and let live” society. But in my years on this planet, I have never seen how it could possibly work, for the simple reason the only “utopia” or live and let live society that would be in my best self-interest, would be one that excluded all of you and everybody else. There would be no need for a government or economic structure. Which creates the haves and the have-nots. (the beggar and the CEO). Maximus replied to my original opening post. He asked if I was the person who makes him have a headache. I replied, yes, I am. I can’t honestly say that I have never talked to him, nor the fact that this post might not give him a headache. I was being truthful in my remark. Because on the Internet, we all have a certain anonymity that exists (fact). I am everybody, I am anybody, I am somebody, and I’m nobody. That my friend, is the bigger picture in all of this. The timing of my signing up here is no coincidence. As I have been a “guest” lurker for some time now off and on. Studying your behaviors through your words and actions. I chose this username for a reason. There’s nothing extremely clever about it. It’s a fact, (principle #1) to you, if I don’t think the same way as you, I’m nobody, and I’m to be treated as such. If I don’t think the way you do, the planet would be a better place if I wasn’t here, I am nobody. Because if I’m different, I’m upsetting the applecart. (the application of core principles 2,3, and 4). But because of my original OP, I got labeled as a troll. And this is where the timing is significant. As I watched the discussion about the situation on this Christian message board. I had to ask myself, as I re-read the rules of this board. What makes this board different from that one? If I violate rules 1 and 2 here, I’m out of here am I not? Honestly, it’s quite possible that this post will get me the same ticket. So you can see why I say, the only possible way for a live and let live society to work, would be one that would exclude all of you and everybody else. Because that would be in my best self-interest. So I have to ask this question. Am I an Objectivist? Have a demonstrated possibly a deeper understanding of who I am with the confirmation of that fact from watching you? Am I you, and me? The only way you can know for sure, is to look at yourself. There are certain characteristics that indicate we are one in the same in the way we think. I do however, hope that if this finds it’s way into the trash as well and I am banned. It will not fall on deaf ears. I have been a student of my own self-interest all my life. I will leave you with this thought to ponder. The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.--Ayn Rand Ban me if you must.
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