Caesar

I guess the whole don't leave questions escaped you. I live by my natural morals and I believe those are morals that my God supports. RationalBiker, I hold different morals and beliefs in life(much as everyone else) so it is natural our thoughts and logic will cross and to quote with a few changes( for lack of a better way of putting it) however, you want to believe what you want to believe so my logic has no place in an argument against your logic. Agree to disagree?

What harm could it do? It's a gamble I'm willing to take. If effect's my life none beside the few min.s I send talking with you guys and others about(which would last longer if I said no god). And that is you logic. Like the other person said, it's a gamble, I put nothing down and have a chance to win everything and lose nothing seems to me a rational thought. As far as evidence, you can't 100% prove or 100% disprove god, you can get close. So I have two picks and one of them doesn't make sense(until science can recreate it) then the one left, however improbable, is what I believe. Alright this is getting boring. Everyone's rational belief works different this is what mine believes. So just make a closing ague and try to leave no questions

I'm most along the lines of Deism so those questions I answer No. I mainly look as it this way, I would rather have a gun(belief) and not need(afterlife) it and not have a gun and need it.

^^^^^ I guess "have" is a strong word but it is one of the biggest questions out there and I feel there-fore should be answered. ^^^^Could you post a link to a good scientist that says how the matter came to exist or was formed and/or non-living matter can became living, eating, recreating matter? ^^^ I'll look for Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand next time I'm in the book store. ^^Because I looked at the first 2 pages of the search and still had questions. ^Yet I'll still study it because it makes sense in most other areas.

^Yes I did. ^^I have to believe in a God or the Big Bang and the Big Bang is irrationality. So one remains, now it doesn't make 100% reason but more reason then the Big Bang so just pick neither because one side is fully reasonable.

O, so as long as I don't let it effect my way of life/decisions(much like I'm living now) it's ok, and would fit in?

What is the needs for something to be irrationality? How is it irrationality to not want everything to end in 80 years? "identify what action is correct for your life" so identify your wants and needs and act on those? 1/3 better then I thought

What is the main religion followed by Objectivist?and why(is there a reason, does mix well with objectivism ideas)? From what I have seen in relationships section, Atheist, I think wasn't Ayn Rand one too? How does one follow objectivism? I know this is kind of a board range answer. From what I have seen it means that you are fully yourself and don't allow others to effect your decisions which will be base on your drives, logic, and wants. How is love mixed with objectivism as love is normally seen as a selfless act? Again from what I have seen/read as normal you find someone you like and love to hangout/talk/sex/etc. with and that that with give you pleasure which is a selfishness, while at the same time giving pleasure to your girlfriend/wife. I'm new so my views are probably way off but it gives you a better idea of what I'm asking.

Adam was human; he didn't want the apple for the apple's sake; he wanted it because it was forbidden. There seems to have been an actual decline in rational thinking. The United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes are mistaken for people of importance. They were idolized and treated as leaders; their opinions were sought on everything and they took themselves just as seriously - after all, if an athlete is paid millions or more a year, he knows he is important . . . so his opinions of foreign affairs and domestic policies must be important too, even though he proves himself to be both ignorant and sub- literate every time he opens his mouth. (Most of his fans are just as ignorant and unlettered; the disease is spreading) Consider this: (1) "Bread and Circuses"; (2) The abolition of the pauper's oath in Franklin Roosevelt's first term; (3) "Peer group" promotion in public school. These three conditions heterodyne each other. The abolition of the pauper's oath as a condition for public charity insure that habitual failures, incompetents of every sort, people who can't support themselves and people who won't, each of these would have the same voice in ruling the country, in assessing taxes and spending them, as (for example) Thomas Edison or Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Carnegie or Andrew Jackson. Peer group promotion insured that the franchise would be exercised by ignorant incompetents. And "Bread and Circuses" is what invariably happens to a democracy that goes that route: unlimited spending on "social" programs ends in national bankruptcy which historically is always followed by dictatorship. It seems to me that these three things were the key mistakes that will destroy the best culture up to this time in all known histories. Oh, there were other things - strikes by public servants, for example. My grandfather was still alive when this became a problem. Grandfather said grimly: “There is a ready solution for anyone on the public payroll who feels that he is not paid enough: He can resign and work for a living. This applies with equal force to Congressmen, Welfare 'clients', school teachers, generals, garbage collectors, postal workers, and judges." It is often said: “But every man is entitled to his own opinion!". Perhaps. Certainly every man has his own opinion on everything, no matter how silly. On two subjects the overwhelming majority of the people regarded their own opinions as Absolute Truth, and sincerely believed that anyone who disagreed with them was immoral, outrageous, sinful, sacrilegious, offensive, intolerable, stupid, illogical, treasonable, actionable, against the public interest, ridiculous, and obscene. The two subjects were (of course) sex and religion. On sex and religion each American citizen knew the One Right Answer, by direct Revelation from God. In view of the wide diversity of opinion, most of them must necessarily have been mistaken. But on these two subjects they were not accessible to reason. “But you must respect another man's religious beliefs! ". For Heaven's sake, why? Stupid is stupid - faith doesn't make it smart. I recall one candidate’s promise that I heard during the presidential campaign, a campaign promise that seems to me to illustrate how far American rationality has skidded. “We shall drive ever forward along this line until all our citizens have above-average incomes! ". Nobody laughed. The trouble with the news is that everybody knows everything too fast and too often and too many times. News has always been bad. The tiger that lives in the forest just ate your wife and kids, Joe. There are no fat grub worms under the rotten logs this year, Al. Those sickies in the village on the other side of the mountain are training hairy mammoths to stomp us flat, Pete. They nailed up two thieves and one crackpot, Mary. So devote wire service people and network people and syndication people to gathering up all the bad news they can possibly dredge and comb and scrape out of a news-tired world and have them spray it back at everyone in constant streams of electrons, and two things happen. First, we all stop listening, so they have to make it ever more horrendous to capture out attention. Secondly, we all become even more convinced that everything has gone rotten, and there is no hope at all, no hope at all. In a world of no hope the motto is semper fidelis, which means in translation, " Every week is screw-your-buddy week and his wife too, if he's out of town."

So far I have only read The Fountainhead and I'm half-way through Atlas Shrugged. Plus I have watched a few videos of her on youtube and have watched the lectures on Ayn Rand institute home page. No sadly I didn't hear it through the school but instead my dad has a word doc. that has some of his fav. quotes and one was Ayn Rand so I look her up and couldn't stop reading on objectivism and found out some of my friends were also into her. Are there any other books/videos that you would say would be good for a beginner?

*** Mod's note: Merged with an earlier topic. - sN *** Post some of you fav. quotes, they don't have to be from one of Ayn Rand's books but they can. "The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion of equality made vain the hope for freedom." - Lord Acton "The more sinful and guilty a person tends to feel, the less chance there is that he will be a happy, healthy, or law-abiding citizen. He will become a compulsive wrong-doer." - Dr. Albert Ellis The government is good at one thing...it knows how to break your legs, and then hand you a crutch and say 'see if it weren't for the government you wouldn't be able to walk.'" - Harry Browne

Hello all My real name is Ethan. I'm 15 and have started reading Ayn Rand and have wanting to learn all I can about Objectivism. I'm not 100% sure if it is what I want to follow but that's why I'm here. I'll try to get into some discusses, but mainly here to ask questions and to learn. Little bit about me, I live in Kansas. I love to learn about different philosophies along with economy and politics which of course sometime mixed. I'm a quick learner, in the 10th grade, and straight A student. I have a PS3, my username is caesar1994 feel free to add me. I have a facebook and if you want add me feel free Facebook. I have a hearing problem which has caused me have a little trouble with spelling so if something doesn't make sense point it out and I will fix it. Well that's it if you have any questions feel free to ask Caesar