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  1. per 1) I'll even concede that (tragically) the FDA has been up to their "tricks" for several years, but Bush is supposed to be a _Republican_ (...remembers something about "limited gov''t." ) http://search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmGo.ex...id&hiword=raid+ (...and by the way, LEF is _completely_ private, _and_ they've fought back against the FDA.) per 2) http://capmag.com/search.asp search for "patriot act"... only 1 of 4 favors it, and Michelle Malkin (while being a fine writer) is a conservative.... who is for internment (which may not be relevant?!) per 3) I said, "and did Bush not in fact stipulate that troops that are already deployed _must_ operate overseas for another year _even when they were scheduled to come home_????? Isn't that WORSE than a normal draft where those who are to be called up have a long shot of escaping a war (even if albeit by illegal means)?!" Is a one year contract supposed to equal 2 years of service? Man, my friend (who translated Bernstein's Declaration into another language) would like to hear an answer to that considering that her brother has been moved all over the high seas for the U.S. military over the last couple of years or so! :-D per 4) Leaving aside that I was the first person I've _ever_ heard explicitly to consider environmentalistism as a religion.... (I said this to Peter Schwartz back in '97 actually IIRC.) Your are begging the question of: Which is older? Christianity or Environmentalism? and the question of which has been practiced longer? and the question of: Which is practiced in a more widespread fashion? and the question of: Which has spawned the newest Hollywood trend? per 5) Did you see the V.P. debate? Maybe I didn't use the most obvious language, but I believe that Edwards said in effect that, "I have reservations about gay marriage as being sanctioned by the FEDERAL government when it normally falls to the state gov'ts for consideration." (Of course, the whole issue could be razed away by considering that government should not be licensing something as unrelated to the defense of individual rights as marriage. BTW, who do gay people hurt by getting married? Who's rights are _they_ violating? ...rhetorical questions as far as I'm concerned (for this thread.)) (I'll remember to look at my signed copy of OPAR before I go on line. :-P ) ...but all of this is getting away from what I contended is the essential issue: I think I might be able to rephrase that as "Isn't Bush's X-tian epistemology more relevant or more over-arching or more politically affecting than his political speech? Yes, it's debatable, but I _still_ say that Piekoff, Biddle, and Lewis (and well.... I) have offered some of the evidence to support that referenced premise. Help me here! What am I _missing_ that Bush supporters see? I am being absolutely sincere here! I can not see the appeal of "4 more years!"
  2. I've been looking for a thread/topic header to post under for a while. I've thought about starting a new thread, but given Mr. Biddle's recent article, and _this_ consequential thread, I've decided that this is good a place to start as _anywhere_.... ...so if this is not dead on-topic, well... sorry, I'm doing what I can.... I'd never be able to post if I tried to keep up with all the relevant comments just on _this_ site! Some background: I had mostly settled on abstaining i.e. not voting for either Kerry or Bush for most of _the past year_, and I also at one time or another considered voting for Bush, but the relevant Lewis article and Piekoff audio excerpt really must have been the proverbial "straw to break the camel's back" for me. Those two _re_-introduced an angle that in hindsight should have _longggggg_ since been considered. Someone wants my _method_ as well as my conclusions and reasons? We'll lets' cut right to the very heart of it all. Are Objectivists not supoosed to think and act in essentials??? For me, this is (as far as this election is concerned) an "all or nothing" consideration. That is, if what I'm about to offer doesn't hold up, then I am giving up altogether and going back to my original position of _not voting_. All or nothing! Objectivists want to argue that Bush isn't an Ayatollah? Fine. O-ists want to argue that Kerry is an awful, untrustworthy, pragmatic, hypocritical, Modernistic and flat-out altruistic louse of a candidate? Now _that_ is a newsflash? Guess what Bush is the same! .....absolutely the same in those respects. What Piekoff pointed out is that there's one crucial difference, and he outlined _some_ of the examples of how Bush is explicitly and formally moving America towards theocracy. Dare you say that it can not happen here....? I mean I haven't read _The Ominous Parallels_, and even I can see the "writing on the wall". Did you see the other articles that also appeared at Capitalism Magazine in the past day? Do you see the common threads of _action_ that the Bush administration engage in? Do you not see the connections betwen the Patriot Act, the restrictions on political endorsements, and limits on research involving fetal tissue? Do you not see the connections in how this administration has/had dropped the ball with respect to Los Alamos, the Chinese downing of an U.S. plane (at the very beginning of Bush's term no less!), China vis-a-vis Taiwan, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia (please tell me that getting what amounts to our own oil back will not suffice in maintaining a turn-the-other-cheek position! Also, can we forget the bin Ladin family?), etc., etc. Look, Bush is generally not doing much new in American politics by starting with/promising one policy and then, in the next breath, undercutting the very policy in question...,BUT what is different is the _orientation_ of his tactics. Would Kerry resort to such an obvious capitulation to religious political factions? I just do not see that happening! Whether both candidates were to (further) prosecute war (or military and foreign policy in general) in the same way _or not_, there can be absolutely no doubt where Bush's allegiances lie, and they are NOT even remotely atheistic. You haven't heard Kerry talk about restricting medical research or free speech in the manner that Bush has. ...and if I (can!) understand Kerry and Edwards recent debate comments on gay marriage, that team isn't even opposed to those relationships _without Constitutional respect_. When you hear a liberal Democratic candidate even give better lip service to the rights of the military servicemen than Bush (for example), it should give _any_ individualist pause about voting for Bush. ...and did Bush not in fact stipulate that troops that are already deployed _must_ operate overseas for another year _even when they were scheduled to come home_????? Isn't that WORSE than a normal draft where those who are to be called up have a long shot of escaping a war (even if albeit by illegal means)?! As the tennis player Hewitt would say, "COME ONNNNN!"
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