I. Kant Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Is anyone familiar with aristotle's theory of the immovable mover? Any links about it? I first read about it in Atlas Shrugged, when Francisco got the money to buy a mine and explaining it to his father. I tried google, but I couldn't find anything useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyKD Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 I don't remember this reference in Atlas, but nevertheless... See if this is useful: http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:HFCgV...aristotle&hl=en http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:HFCgV...aristotle&hl=en The actual urls are given at the top of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. Kant Posted June 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Thanks! now I know what Aristotle is talking about, and the books he spoke about it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyKD Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Could you possibly refer me to the page where this is mentioned in Atlas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. Kant Posted June 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Oh yeah, hold on a second. In the soft cover version its on the bottom half of page 110. In Chapter 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyKD Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Sorry about both links going to the same page, meant to post this one along with the first one (though I think the first one provides all the info you need): http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:d_GUh...stotle%22&hl=en And thanks for the reference. By the way, not sure how proficient you are at using google, but it's definitely a skill worth learning. The search string I used was: "immovable mover" "aristotle." This means search for articles matching these phrases exactly, with the phrases appearing in any order in the document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMERICONORMAN Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 One of several things that I am reading at the same time is Aristotle’s Metaphysics. I would like to post something in the near future about the immovable mover. But here’s a poem I dug up that I wrote about seven years ago; I now feel nostalgic about my earlier youth. The idea had caught my attention back then and I had connected it to the idea of love and “the hardest to conquer”. It is not a good poem; it’s okay. But maybe someone will find it sweet or at least amusing. Moving The Mover I Subsuming reality Are ideas with words As symbols, Useful -- potentially -- To make you believe. Mine are on paper After perfection, But slower. Yours are a dialogue In space -- Processed by reason, Stored in memory, And deduced into action, Yet scattered By the objects of your will -- Howling Paraphrases With improper syllogism, But subconscious revelation Without introspection -- Imperatively subtle, Masterfully skilled, Hidden Where most fear to peer into. II And they rarely ask “why?” And find no answers To questions they dare not ask. I accepted the dare, Asked the questions, Peered into my heart of darkness, And inevitably saw the light: Found catch phrases With no starting points, With cloudy implications. I saw ends with no means, And means with out ends. I saw my dreams replaced By your style And your theme, Unanalyzed, No judgment, “All good!” Though I wasn’t mistaken, I couldn’t find answers. And in search of reason I stumbled on fear. And then what would happen: A state of confusion. Hiding behind visions And thinking with dreams. III Fortune in constant persistence, though, After a new theme, Gradual courage, And momentous serenity. When I realized your theme And developed my own. You were constantly testing, Searching for truth, A sense of security; Jumping from whim to whim -- stone to stone -- Hardly getting wet, A masterful skill. I had started my quest And couldn’t engage In the worship of whims; And then came my theme. To understand what I see, And accept what I must, And work for the answers. IV I found what had moved them: An immovable mover, With a multi-faceted integrity In guise; Who moved me to introspect, And display what I found, And portray what could be, To assure what should be. Introversion, as the essence Of this immovable mover, Who indulged in the actions Of pseudo-introverts And many extroverts. In Retrospect I found, That to be made, The “we” must be earned, And the “I” must be found. Free will is the key, Strong will is the force; The guide in pursuit Of the immovable mover; To acknowledge the metaphysical “I” And to love the man-made “we.” An Ironic effect When the immovable mover Peers into his soul To discover he was moved -- As he moves others -- By the honest will of another And all the truth it entails. And so I lusted to move You Immovable mover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellymeg80 Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 The scene in AS is when Fransisco is telling is father he got the money to buy his first mine by playing the stock market while writing a thesis on the affects of Aristotle's theory of The Immovable Mover on later philosophic systems. Yeah, I've read that book 20 times. I'm Random Atlas trivia girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ckCommunism Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 In which of Aristotle's writings do we find the theory of the immovable mover? I have searched it and found summaries of the theory, but mostly descriptions or explanations on aquinas' writings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. Kant Posted June 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Metaphysics, Book V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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