Jesse Jackson Wants to Cut Obama's Nuts Off

[Clawg]

good point, aggrippa1

[Wotan]

I don't know what white people you know or have been talking to, but I would say the vast majority of whites I know recognize the racism that many blacks in this country practice. Why do you think this video is so sensational? You certainly won't see it out in the open or around the water cooler, unless it's by Rush Limbaugh or someone to that effect, because whites are so paranoid about being labeled a racist.

K-Mac -- You must know one helluva superior class of whites than myself! If you want to know what whites I'm discussing and denouncing above, let me explain: all of them. The bravest and most honest people I know on this subject are maybe AM-radio talk-show hosts. And they're almost universally derided and hated as "racists" by vast segments. They're also routinely fired in the most shameful way.

If you don't think today's whites are remarkably weak, worthless, and pathetic on this subject I'm tempted to ask, K-Mac: Just what planet do you live on?

[Wotan]

And many blacks know the racism that many white people practice in this country...

Shyboy -- I'm completely unaware of what you're referring to. By my judgment, American blacks are stunning worse than whites in ethnic bigotry terms. There's simply no analogue to black leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Maybe 100 years ago -- but not today. Blacks are routinely praised, in society and respectable circles, as being superior to whites, personally and culturally. And this supposed racial superiority has been written into law -- especially regarding education and vocation -- for over 40 years.

[Thales]

Regarding the all pervasive racism from the media, here is another case in point. I decided to go to the Google News page to read about Tony Snow dying and on the news page is the following headline from an ABC news story:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...dian-jokes.html

Comedian Jokes About 'Hos' at Obama Fundraiser; Obama Condemns

You can't even joke any more. Literally.

These kinds of stories are a dime a dozen. They are ubiquitous. A sign of the times, I guess.

Honestly, when I see stuff like that it has the reverse effect on me. I want to joke about hos. Where is my god damned garden hos?

It's interesting the way this is getting played in the media. If Jackson had been a white man, this would have been portrayed as the most crude kind of racist comment. Remember when a white female Golf Channel reporter made a tongue in cheek comment about other players wanting to "lynch" Tiger Woods? http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.as...32832&cat=6

The talking heads came out in droves on the cable chanels, hoping to see her career ruined. They don't seem to have the same reaction to Jackson's comment.

Yes. I recall that. I was completely disgusted with how she was treated, pathetic people.

There are lots of stories like that. I remember a baseball color guy for some California team (former player) a couple of years ago making a harmless joke about Lou Piniella being Hispanic and one person in his large radio audience complained, so he gets fired. These are the kinds of jokes baseball players play on each other all of the time. Makes things fun. But, with politically correct zealots growing in influence, suddenly an innocent joke becomes a high crime. I remember him on Mike & Mike in the Morning ESPN radio show after the event and they treated him like a pariah. It was beyond ridiculous. Actually, I think sports are where racism is most pervasive among the media. They drench everything in political correctness to the nth degree. This is a big reason I don't listen to sports any more.

What’s need is a few more Ezra Levants who know how to stand up for themselves righteously and effectively.

[shyboy]

Shyboy -- I'm completely unaware of what you're referring to. By my judgment, American blacks are stunning worse than whites in ethnic bigotry terms. There's simply no analogue to black leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Maybe 100 years ago -- but not today. Blacks are routinely praised, in society and respectable circles, as being superior to whites, personally and culturally. And this supposed racial superiority has been written into law -- especially regarding education and vocation -- for over 40 years.

It is only for entry level positions but here is a study that shows white convicts are as likely to get a job from a white employer as blacks.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf

http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/wh...kely_to_be.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m135...08/ai_n15681393

Edited July 12, 2008 by shyboy

[Mammon]

No I'm not fucking kidding you...

Do you think Jackson is some sort of amateur when it comes to manipulating the media? You think, yowza, he done plum forget what a microphone do? You think he can't hatch a simple ruse to put Obama in a better light with the anti-Jesse crowd (i.e., most of white America).

No, I don't think he is the type of guy to hatch something like this and it looks like him and Obama's relationship has been going sour for awhile now.

Think about the nuance in the message:

"Barack's been talking down to black people and I wanna cut his nuts off."

Shows that Jackson cares about black people's dignity.

Portrays Obama as a legitimate black man using the starkest racial terms.

Tells whites that Obama is not a typical black leader.

Most importantly, draws attention to what Obama said that drew Jackson's ire: That black men are acting like boys. Great for Obama's standing with conservatives.

Intentional or not, I don't think it will do even make a marginal difference in the way conversatives or white people (because the too are pratically interchangeable sometimes) view Obama. And that's a huge gamble as well, it looks like he is getting beat up for it already. And it didn't appear to rally white people at all. I'm not seeing any "WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE JESSE JACKSON DONT LIKE HIM!"-bumper stickers.

The writing on the wall is pretty big, and Jesse stands to get a juicy role in an Obama White House.

The only thing this proves his that Obama and Jackson don't get along. It doesn't look like they'd be doing each other any favors, from here on out.

[Wotan]

It is only for entry level positions but here is a study that shows white convicts are as likely to get a job from a white employer as blacks.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf

http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/wh...kely_to_be.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m135...08/ai_n15681393

Assuming this is true, and all other things are equal, and no other factors are relevant, then the reality is obvious. Any company which hires a plethora of blacks will make money hand-over-fist since clearly today's market is flooded with an available high-quality black labor pool which, in turn, is hideously under-utilized. This is a golden opportunity for businesses to make a fortune -- via perceptive and wise hiring decisions as implied above.

[shyboy]

Assuming this is true, and all other things are equal, and no other factors are relevant, then the reality is obvious. Any company which hires a plethora of blacks will make money hand-over-fist since clearly today's market is flooded with an available high-quality black labor pool which, in turn, is hideously under-utilized. This is a golden opportunity for businesses to make a fortune -- via perceptive and wise hiring decisions as implied above.

That study didn't say that blacks were superior just because they are black in anyway at all. It was used to find out more about racism in the job market.

[aequalsa]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf

It was unclear in this study how broadly they chose the places to be applied to. It doesn't specify but from the examples used, it appears that they chose only small, private sector jobs and primarily those dealing with the public(sales, wait staff, etc.)

First, if they chose public sector jobs(a major part of our economy, so to speak), as well as larger corporations which receive subsidies for maintaining ethnic diversity, I'd wager that they would find a severe reversal of that trend. Second, businesses that cater to the public will very often choose sales people to match their usual clients in the same way that Ebony Magazine usually picks black models for their cover. Third, the study did not specify if the jobs were in particular ethnic neighborhoods or not. I assume not since I am pretty confident that if they were applying to black owned businesses in predominantly black neighborhoods the results would be different. Further, if they had applied to jobs in manufacturing or construction, likewise, the results would change. Probably with a preference toward Hispanic workers.

I hate these sorts of studies because they are so easy to manipulate with subtle alterations all while maintaining the appearance of objectivity.

[K-Mac]

If you don't think today's whites are remarkably weak, worthless, and pathetic on this subject I'm tempted to ask, K-Mac: Just what planet do you live on?

Mars.

[agrippa1]

The only thing this proves his that Obama and Jackson don't get along. It doesn't look like they'd be doing each other any favors, from here on out.

We're going to have to disagree on this one. I don't believe Jackson has the luxury of distancing himself from the first black President. An Obama Presidency will change everything for the black rights industry in America.

You're also assuming that the whole split between Obama and Jackson hasn't been orchestrated to give Obama breathing room with the anti-Jackson (et ilk) segment of America.

The whole thing just seems too convenient to me. And you know (don't you?) that these guys have armies of staffers who stay up nights trying to figure out how to fool the American people.

[Yitzhak Finnegan]

I think Jesse should make like testicles and gonad!

[fletch]

The whole thing just seems too convenient to me. And you know (don't you?) that these guys have armies of staffers who stay up nights trying to figure out how to fool the American people.

If thats the case, Jackson needs a whole new staff. He hasnt fooled anyone in more than 20 years. People know exactly what Jackson is and that is why Obama has to keep his distance. Personally, I think if this was an planned event, it wasnt very bright. Jacksons face--or Sharptons, for that matter-- popping up during this campaign can only help remind people that they are still out there and are four-square behind Obama. Despite any minor differences, Jackson will probably demand some sort of special access to a President Obama. One more reason not to vote for Obama--if you needed one.

[gags]

It is only for entry level positions but here is a study that shows white convicts are as likely to get a job from a white employer as blacks.

I've worked at a number of large companies over the years and I currently have several of them as clients. Every single one of them bends over backwards to find, hire and retain minority workers. I have a very skeptical view of studies like the one you cite. As aequalsa said, they are easy to manipulate. Furthermore, when these studies are done by individuals and organizations that appear to have an agenda, they have even less credibility for me.

[adrock3215]

Conan did a really entertaining skit out of this here and another entertaining follow up that that skit here.

Edited July 14, 2008 by adrock3215

[shyboy]

I've worked at a number of large companies over the years and I currently have several of them as clients. Every single one of them bends over backwards to find, hire and retain minority workers.

What large companies have you worked with because the large majority of people I know that work for those companies are still white. Which is fine but you all make it seem that black people are overrunning everything. The reason networks like BET and Ebony magazine exist is because the mainstream mainly cators to the majority which are white people. There are jobs for black actors and models here in there but that is not mainstream. Also if you are white try reading an Ebony magazine or watching BET, I bet it would be wierd seeing all those black people, that is how many black people feel when they read one of those "mainstream" magazines or watch NBC, ABC, CBS etc.

Secondly Bush wasn't a good choice for president I feel. Too me he got in the White House only because of his name. Bush isn't the brightest guy and he has some experience but he has still made a mess of things. He has people hating tax cuts. All of a sudden though one black guy is taken seriously for president out of the whole history of the United States and it is World War 3 for some of you all. Ayn Rand didn't get her way all the time during electrons and the world hasn't blown itself up. The world has been going to end since forever!!!

Another thing that I have to mention is that it was Obama's white mother who taught Obama about his African heritage and not his black father. Nothing is wrong with that at all I feel but she has been described as an extreme leftist so I'm guessing that is not all she had taught Obama. You can read about her on Wikepedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

If any of you think that there should be a unity of opinion just because someone is white you are wrong.

Edited July 14, 2008 by shyboy

[ers]

I dunno. Maybe I just love chaos. But I am kinda of hoping Obama will get elected just so I can watch everything go to hell. Maybe then a change in thinking will actually start. Sure there will be tremendous damage wrought, but so was there when Galt started the strike. I can identify with Galt in that mentality of - here's what you said you wanted, now live with it.

That's a fucking fictional story.

We're talking about real life here. We won't simply be watching everything go to hell, we will be experiencing it.

[agrippa1]

That's a f**king fictional story.

We're talking about real life here. We won't simply be watching everything go to hell, we will be experiencing it.

I think the point is that an abrupt transition into naked socialism would be more beneficial in the long run than the slow, steady descent that we've been suffering for the past century. It's the frog in the frying pan scenario on a huge scale.

My feeling is that Obama will shift shapes once he's in office, much as he's doing right now, in order to protect his political power, and ultimately, his legacy. He's showing himself lately to be not so much an idealistic Marxist radical as an opportunistic, narcissistic, supremely ambitious and unprincipled political chameleon. He's the ultimate political rock star, and he's making Bill Clinton look like the 3 AM lounge act at Harrah's.

[gags]

What large companies have you worked with because the large majority of people I know that work for those companies are still white. Which is fine but you all make it seem that black people are overrunning everything.

I'm not sure who you think is making "it seem that black people are overrunning everything", but I haven't heard that from anyone in this discussion. I work in a professional field and the vast majority of the people with whom I have worked are white. I was simply making the point that most large companies put a great deal of effort in to attracting minority employees. These companies have a difficult time finding minorities who are qualified to do the work. As I said before, I am skeptical of studies like the ones you cited.

[shyboy]

McCains class rank in College was 894 out of 899 students in College BTW for anybody interested.

[agrippa1]

McCains class rank in College was 894 out of 899 students in College BTW for anybody interested.

That college would be the U.S. Naval Academy. His rank was low because of discipline problems. (Not that I'm a McCain fan)

[Jake]

That college would be the U.S. Naval Academy. His rank was low because of discipline problems. (Not that I'm a McCain fan)

Also, BTW, it's quite a bragging right if one can be the "Anchor Man" by being the lowest ranking midshipman to graduate.

[musenji]

Shyboy's last post was a pretty blatant red herring, right?

Also, why is it a bragging right to be the "Anchor Man"?

[fletch]

Shyboy's last post was a pretty blatant red herring, right?

I am not sure exactly what one could learn about a 70 year old man by perusing his college transcripts.

[Jake]

Also, why is it a bragging right to be the "Anchor Man"?

From this website, referencing Faith of My Fathers by John McCain:

[At the end of my Naval training], I sat amid a sea of navy whites, fifth from the bottom of my class. I remember wishing at one point during commencement that my dismal performance at the Academy had earned me an even lower place in the class standings. In those days, only the first one hundred graduates in the class were called to the dais to receive their diplomas from President Eisenhower. Graduation was conferred on the rest of us by company. The midshipman who graduates last in his class is affectionately called the anchorman. When the anchorman's company was called, he was cheered by the whole brigade and hoisted onto the shoulders of his friends. Eisenhower motioned him up to the dais, and to the crowd's loud approval personally handed him his diploma; both President and anchorman smiling broadly as the President patted him on the back and chatted with him for a few minutes. I thought it a fine gesture from a man who understood our traditions.

Also from another website:

The anchorman is the midshipman who graduates lowest in his or her class by order of merit at the Naval Academy. Contrary to popular belief, it's actually an honor (albeit dubious), as the winner customarily passes his or her cover around the graduating class, all of whom traditionally put in a $1 or $5 bill. As a result, the anchorman makes around $1000 or $5000 for the right to receive their diploma last and flirt the closest with being separated and returned to the fleet as an enlisted sailor.