Devils_Advocate Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnew..._the_agenda.php Damn it. Damn it. Can't say it was unexpected, but I can say god DAMN it! Vladimir Putin's short, sharp lesson to a challenging former Soviet state has unleashed patriotic pride in Russia and nostalgia for the glory days of the Soviet Union. Wow. Are there any history books in Russia? Or anyone over the age of 20? Because, call me crazy, but massive starvation, mass murder, perpetual war threats, etc., just doesn't scream "Glory days" to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Wow. Are there any history books in Russia? Or anyone over the age of 20? Because, call me crazy, but massive starvation, mass murder, perpetual war threats, etc., just doesn't scream "Glory days" to me. The 'people over the age of 20' were brainwashed into believing in collectivism. Rand's family decided to stay in USSR after visiting New York. I've heard a lot of accounts of this, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Old style socialism had some adherents who wanted to "better the world"; the "Communist Internationale" is an anthem that talks of uniting the human race. With the old socialism given up as impractical, it is being replaced by nationalism. Russia is probably one of the worse cases, but nationalist sentiment is strong in other countries too, including India and China. In the last few years, the anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S. tells me that nationalists are trying to reassert themselves here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils_Advocate Posted August 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Old style socialism had some adherents who wanted to "better the world"; the "Communist Internationale" is an anthem that talks of uniting the human race. With the old socialism given up as impractical, it is being replaced by nationalism. Russia is probably one of the worse cases, but nationalist sentiment is strong in other countries too, including India and China. In the last few years, the anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S. tells me that nationalists are trying to reassert themselves here too. Isn't this kind of nationalism basically fascism? I've always regarded the most basic difference between Communism and Fascism as being weather you are supposed to sacrifice in the name of the class or sacrifice in the name of the Government/Leader/Race/Nation (in fascist terminology, it's all basically the same). So this kind of nutcase nationalism would just be reorganizing the Soviet Union into a Russian Fascist Country. And yeah, I definitely see the trend in most parts of the world - Africa and Europe pretty much being the only exceptions. The 'people over the age of 20' were brainwashed into believing in collectivism. Rand's family decided to stay in USSR after visiting New York. I've heard a lot of accounts of this, actually. "The force can have a strong influence on the weak minded" - Ben Kenobi Sorry, just thought that was kind of funny in relation to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal3b Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 putin talks a good game, but with oil prices so low, russia hasn't the money to put up much fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippa1 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Old style socialism had some adherents who wanted to "better the world"; the "Communist Internationale" is an anthem that talks of uniting the human race. With the old socialism given up as impractical, it is being replaced by nationalism. Russia is probably one of the worse cases, but nationalist sentiment is strong in other countries too, including India and China. In the last few years, the anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S. tells me that nationalists are trying to reassert themselves here too. "Anti-immigrant" ??? Is that how you describe opposition to amnesty for those who break our laws to enter the country? Anti-immigrant. Huh. My mother was an immigrant, so were my father's parents. They did not break the law to come here, and they did not expect a free ride when they got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 (edited) "Anti-immigrant" ??? Is that how you describe opposition to amnesty for those who break our laws to enter the country? Anti-immigrant. Huh. My mother was an immigrant, so were my father's parents. They did not break the law to come here, and they did not expect a free ride when they got here. What's even more outrageous is a law that violates an individual's autonomy by restricting his right to immigrate where he wishes. You are performing the typical bait-and-switch-Michael-Savage manuever by conflating the issue of the welfare state with the issue of immigration. Immigrants should be breaking our unjust laws to enter our country...let 'em in. I'm all for Yaron Brook's (somewhat lighthearted) program to fix the current financial crisis: "Buy a house, get a green card." Edited November 12, 2008 by adrock3215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 (edited) "Anti-immigrant" ??? Is that how you describe opposition to amnesty for those who break our laws to enter the country? Anti-immigrant. Huh. My mother was an immigrant, so were my father's parents. They did not break the law to come here, and they did not expect a free ride when they got here.This topic has been argued to death elsewhere. Edited November 12, 2008 by softwareNerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IchorFigure Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 2009 and maybe the next decade or so is setting up to be totally retro. The possible return of stagflation, energy shortages, Soviet Union style Russia, and a new FDR is just so groan inducing. Make way for bell-bottom pants, and Mummenschanz, because history, she is repeatin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 We may be stupid enough to repeat FDR, but surely not bellbottoms. (Looks at people today--peircings and grunge) Never mind, I withdraw that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 2009 and maybe the next decade or so is setting up to be totally retro. The possible return of stagflation, energy shortages, Soviet Union style Russia, and a new FDR is just so groan inducing. Make way for bell-bottom pants, and Mummenschanz, because history, she is repeatin'. We may also be in for some Dutch nostalgia (think windmills). But perhaps we can avoid seeing horses and buggies outside Pennsylvania again if we manage to plant the idea that they have a higher carbon footprint per horsepower than SUVs do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Nah, the'll just expect you to get by on 2 HP instead of 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Not quite as it was. They've changed their theme song from The International to Putin on the Ritz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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