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This is a thread to speculate or predict the winner of the election. Don't go on about who you want to win, just who do you think will, given the circumstances of the election. Also, how do you think it's going to happen?

For instance, I think McCain is going to win, but by a more narrow margin.

Why?

Because Bush won in landslide last time. Although the Democrats took the house, the people who vote in the congressional elections are not all the same for who votes in the presidental elections. To the extent of my knowledge, more vote for President. The people who carried Bush into the White House again in '04 will carry McCain there in '08. Some of those voters were swing voters who are now voting for the Democrats instead, but there are also a large number of people switching parties.

An X factor here is the large number of black people voting for Obama, that normally don't vote. That's if they actually vote, and that's a big *if*.

Again, it's a pretty big coin toss. The prediction markets are putting Obama ahead. I think that says a lot. But, I think there are a large number of people who vote Republican who don't paricipate in polls and information gathering that people use to make this decision.

I was 100% sure McCain was going to get it. Now I'm only 60% after the last few weeks.

Thoughts? Opinions?

How are you calling it?

Edit: Added a Poll.

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Obama has this, hook, line, and sinker.

I am not saying I like the guy. I am not saying I like McCain either. But let's look at the facts:

McCain is an old white male. Nothing new, and he's a "conservative" supposedly. That's a kill right there.

But he has Sarah Palin. Which will get some womens' votes. Not nearly enough, though.

Obama, on the other hand, is fresh. He is a celebrity, too. People will do virtually whatever he says. He's young (securing the younger crowd), charismatic, black (which secures almost all of the black votes), and preaches a message that everyone wants to hear. "If you elect me president, I will solve all of your problems! We have evil greedy capitalism now [which of course we don't] so we will make it so that we're all equal! [aka a People's State]"

Biden is not nearly as looked at. He's the worst of them all, in my opinion, but he will not matter. People are too busy being jumping on the bandwagon for Obama.

As a "youngster" ( :P ) I can say that the younger crowd, ESPECIALLY the women, tend to favor Obama over Palin--who is a female herself. So obviously, Palin is going to get only a few women, and they will be mostly over 40.

Obama-Biden wins in '08.

No matter who gets elected, though,we all lose.

EDIT:

Eerily, this reminds me of the Bolshevik revolution and the Nazis in about the 1920s. Which path we will take is up to the "Messiah", Chairman Obama.

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Because Bush won in landslide last time

......uh........ huh?

From Wikipedia:

In politics, a landslide victory (or landslide) is the victory of a candidate or political party by an overwhelming margin in an election.

The 2004 election was 286 Bush / 251 Kerry. How is that a "landslide"?

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......uh........ huh?

From Wikipedia:

The 2004 election was 286 Bush / 251 Kerry. How is that a "landslide"?

Apparently I've been lied to. Honestly, at my highschool after the election they (the faculty) told us it was 300/200. And people in the media kepy saying landslide over and over again. It kind of stuck.

But, there are these two maps which give a good impression as well,

2004election.jpg

Election2004ByState.jpg

Maybe I was thinking landslide in States? 31 vs 19 is a landslide.

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Maybe I was thinking landslide in States? 31 vs 19 is a landslide.
Finally, what matters is electoral voters, which reflect population. Check out "US Political Atlas" for tons of data. If you scroll down on this page, you'll see a map like the one you showed, but it also has the number of electoral college seats for each state. Looking at those numbers, one sees the following: if every state that voted Democrat in 2005 votes Democrat this time, and a single mid-size state with 18 seats of up switches from GOP to DEM, the Dems will win. As an example, that means, if either Florida or Ohio switch, and all else remains unchanged, the DEMs will win. Of course, states can switch either way, complicating the calculation. If you register on that web-site, it will let you predict shifts state by state (starting with 2004 as a base), and you will end up with a personalized prediction-map for 2008.
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Mammon, number of counties or number of states is irrelevant. Both those maps play a numbers game to fool you into distorting the reality. All those red states in the middle of the country have many many millions fewer people than the people living in those blue states. Corn fields don't have voting rights yet, though I am sure they will if Obama gets elected so he can appease the vegetarian voting base.

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Obama will almost certainly win. McCain has gotten some votes because of Joe the Plumber, but not enough to make up the difference. The fiscal conservatives have mostly abandoned him because of his support of the bailout, and Obama has gotten much of the rural vote, which McCain would need to win. Sarah Palin got some votes for him initially, but now that the shock of him picking a woman has worn off, people are actually looking at her insane positions.

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Here's all you guys need to know. I live in College Station, the reddest red area you can think of. Yes, we have a university, but this is quite literally deep in the heart of Texas and I think the vote went something like 90%+ to Bush in this area in 2004. Riding around on my bike through all the neighborhoods around here, I see more Obama/Biden signs on the lawns than McCain/Palin, even on some businesses. Yes, there are some "Beat the Hell Outta Obama" shirts around campus, but very few. Down here in Texas, the winds are turning blue.

Of course, I voted in NH, so I won't be part of the swing this year.

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Do you have anything constructive to contribute?

Well, I did answer the question.

Why do I think Obama will win? Because all polls say he'll win, obviously. That's why we all think he will win. You are the only one who seems to think that all the polls in this country are wrong, and McCain is ahead.

There you go: I think my previous post was far more constructive than this one though, since all I did here was state some obvious facts (you seem to be ignoring).

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Honestly I do not know. If the media and vague polls have anything to say, likely Obama. In actuality I'm not so sure. I think there's a good chance for another total mess when you factor in e-voting machines that have been favoring Republicans, and ACORN fraud that has been registering voters likely in favor of Obama. I think election night will be wild and weird.

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All of the current polling indicates Obama will win. I also think the Democrats will pick up quite a few seats in the House and should have a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. Now we'll all get to see what Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have in store for America.

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I also think the Democrats will pick up quite a few seats in the House and should have a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate.

The Senate races are most critical. Have these been highlighted somewhere. The close ones at least?

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For the Senate, this simulation showed 58 to 42 for the Dems on 10/5. http://hominidviews.com/?p=1940

An updated analysis shows 59 to 41: http://hominidviews.com/?page_id=1669

Whatever happens, the Senate will be quite close.

This is a current update on the House: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29151

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Tomorrow the Ultimate Indicator happens -- My highschool's Mock Election. We've never been wrong about who is going to President.

My confidence in McCain winning has definitely lowered after seeing the evidence you guys have put forth and recent events in the news. But tomorrow will tell for sure.

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Tomorrow the Ultimate Indicator happens -- My highschool's Mock Election. We've never been wrong about who is going to President.

My confidence in McCain winning has definitely lowered after seeing the evidence you guys have put forth and recent events in the news. But tomorrow will tell for sure.

:D

This election brings a whole new meaning to "lose-lose situation".

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Obama will win because McCain has shown poor selection skills. Joe Biden was a good choice of vice president. Sarah Palin was a bad choice of vice president.

Swing voters who don't know which one is less bad will tend to look at the choice of vice president as an indicator of good judgment in the president.

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Obama will win because McCain has shown poor selection skills. Joe Biden was a good choice of vice president. Sarah Palin was a bad choice of vice president.

Is that a joke? Have we been watching the same campaign? I'm not saying that Palin is a good choice, but, you actually think Biden was??

Besides that amazing statement of yours, do you really think people are voting for Obama because of Biden?

You throw these one-liners out as if they were self-evident, without a scrap of reasoning behind them. Well, they are self evident -- self evidently ludicrous.

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I will be pretty shocked if Obama does not win, though not floored. McCain has been closing gaps as of late, but every poll still shows that Obama is in the lead. McCain has had his leap in the polls, and it didn't push him up that much.

I don't believe in the Bradley effect. I think most people are going to be genuine about this thing. Even the racists can think about his half white side, ya know.

Anyway, I can't wait for it all to be over. I'd say the Republicans will learn their lesson when McCain gets his ass beat, but I said the same in 06. The Religious Right and economically challenged are there to stay, and I won't be involved in anyway with them until that changes.

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