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Well, things have to get worse before they can get better. Americans wanted a 4 year experiment with socialism, and now they're going to get it. When the economy collapses, maybe they'll turn back to the capitalism and elect a true capitalist president. Right now is the opportunity for the Republican Party to go back to its principles of 100 years ago -- minus the protectionism -- and try to run on capitalism. I think that after 4 years of socialism, "capitalism" will be the new "change" slogan. Maybe Obama's victory signals the height of tyranny in America -- and hearkens a true revolution to bring power back to the productive instead of the looters.

Maybe. It's just a maybe. Can't live without hope, though..

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Please...kill me...

Hey, you can't blame me. I did everything (ok, not EVERYthing) I could to stop him. When their up to their knees in blood, It won't be my fault.

Obama possibly may be worse then FDR. He can only hope a crisis like FDR's (WWII) will prevent it from being noticed. I imagine that will happen. Maybe the fact that he's African-American will make him a saint, just like Kennedy's assassination made him a saint. But we can hope...lol...

For anyone else who is horrified and disgusted at the onset of communism in America, I recomend this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlqfpPf_EO0. It's called "How far we've come". They chorus is "I believe it all is coming to an end/ Oh well, I guess, we're going to pretend/ Let's see how far we've come/ Let's see how far we've come/..."

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As I was watching the election coverage, CBS kept cutting to Times Square and the jubilant crowds. I was reminded of Padme's line in Star Wars Episode III:

"So this is how freedom dies. To thunderous applause."

Now it has been a while since I saw that movie, so I may not have the quote entirely right.

I'm listening to McCain's concession speech, filled with the expected platitudes about compromise and "bridging our differences." Obama won tonight, but the entire free world has lost.

I must say that I always expected Canada would spiral into dictatorship before the US. I am not so sure now.

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Unsettling to be sure. It's tempting to at least be proud America is willing to elect a non-white president, but with a candidate like him it is just so hallow and pointless. Right now my eyes and ears are keenly focused on the Republicans reaction. I'm very curious how they plan on trying to recoup after this political smack-down. One news commenter spoke about how he thinks the Rep's need to become "more pragmatic, and practical" and less idealistic. What a laugh. I plan to find as many avenues as possible to attempt to drive it home to the Republicans that they do so poorly because of their legislating religion.

If it's any consolation the Dem's will probably not get 60 seats in the senate to prevent lengthy filibusters. 4 years ago when Bush won re-election I yearned for this day to see him out of office, but I couldn't imagine this demagogue appearing to possibly eclipse even him. It's going to be a spooky and bizarre 4 years.

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Barrack Obama as President and a Democrat majority in the House and Senate doesn't bode well for at least the next two years. I don't know how socialist he can make the government, and maybe...just maybe...the Republicans will get a back bone, but I wonder if the race card will work against them. It's amazing from interviews I have seen that many blacks didn't even care what his politics were, but to win they way he did, it wasn't racism. I just hope that those voting for Obama were not explicitly voting for socialism, but I think he may have fished for votes by saying he was going to reduce the taxes of the middle class.

I'm certainly not happy about the prospects.

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I'm not horrified. I know it's going to be bad. Everyone with some sense knows that. There are some truly baffling prospects, but I don't think we're going to be in some Socialist dystopia, guys. He's a principled democrat. Something to be worried about, but America has overcome hardline leftists before.

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The sad part is that that statement is totally accurate. We can dress it up all we want, but the point is that American just elected a socialist supermajority to rule the country of freedom and hard work. Any sane American businessman is going to move his business to China if he can, where capitalism pretty much the norm right now. Because, for now, America is royally screwed.

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I forgot to add my most important point. The Republicans received the punishment they so badly deserved. But I don't think that we can expect the GOP to "discover" capitalism, either. They will conclude that it was their last vestiges of capitalist philosophy that led to their defeat.

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Wildly off-topic and obsessively pedantic, but we must all remember that the US does not have a directly-elected executive. Obama is not President. He won't even be President-Elect until December 15 when the electors cast their votes.

~Q

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Better Obama and the quasi-vivacious Democrats than Grampa McCain ("You kids stay off my lawn!" :P ) and the dismal, lifeless, confused, utterly-lost Republicans!

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Congratulations to intelligent, energetic, ambitious, idealistic, earnest, reflective, young, intellectually-curious, hard-working, hopeful President Barach Obama!

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My biggest hope is that he's a great liar on par with clinton and won't do any of what he promised. Somehow I don't think it's likely though. He was rated the most liberal senator by the National Journal. The socialist was 4th for some perspective.

It looks like they won't quite have 60 seats in the senate which, in theory would help since it would still leave the republicans the filibuster. However since there are usually 4-8 republicans that aren't very loyal, in effect they might not have it.

I hear that Dubai is nice this time of year.

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As I was watching the election coverage, CBS kept cutting to Times Square and the jubilant crowds. I was reminded of Padme's line in Star Wars Episode III:

"So this is how freedom dies. To thunderous applause."

Now it has been a while since I saw that movie, so I may not have the quote entirely right.

wow I had the same exact quote running through my head. :P

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The republican party needed a slap in the face. I would hope that in another 2/4 years we would see a true capitalist party or a radically changed republican party. The latter, however, is not likely, given the core evangelical base of the Republican party.

Amen to that brother (no pun intended). I was at least hoping for gridlock. after all, Milton Freidman once said that government spending and deficits have always decreased in the past when democrats control the executive and republicans control the legislature. Now that the democrats make up a majority in the senate however, I have no more faith left in America (again no pun intended). Perhaps the good thing that will come out of all this is the flat out rejection of the neoconservative/ compassionate conservatism that created this mess in the first place. I have no one to blame than George Bush. Now I truly understand why Leonard Peikoff said he would be apocalyptically bad. He would increase spending and run up a deficit in the name of capitalism and tarnish it's name for the next several years. Let's hope this new socialism leads to a new grassroots small government revolution. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for another Calvin Coolidge in 2012.

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Im not american, but i haven't really understood what the big panic about Obama is? Even if he is the most leftist senator over there, he is still far better for objectivists than most so called "right wingers" in other "free" countries. I mean, i live in Finland that is among the top10-15 in most rankings of economic freedom in the world, and our major "right wing" party, the National Coalition Party, supports universal healthcare, "free" education including universities and colleges, higher taxation than US democrats, a mandatory 6-12 month military/civil service for men and huge subsidies for finnish agriculture. And these are the ones getting accused of being evil capitalists over here..... So i really dont get these knee jerk reactions on this board of all places, with people going all nuts with talk about moving abroad or some references to a coming socialist apocalypse when Obama gets elected.

Compared to McCain, his plans for reviving the economy is not that much worse, and as neither party wants to challenge the role of the Fed, it doesnt really matter THAT much how much he overtaxes the upper middle class/rich.

It's much better that a socialist president that is openly socialist wins, instead of a socialist president that claims to be for the free market. The abhorration that is the modern Republican Party deserved to lose, and this is the best result for us, as now the public has openly thrown out capitalism, and the results that will follow cant be falsely blamed on it. If McCain had won, it would have been a huge blow for the future of capitalism in the US. Now americans get socialism called socialism, instead of socialism called capitalism, and that is good.

Now we must all hope that the GOP takes notice and recognizes that God and "your gut feeling" doesnt win elections, and that it makes a decisive step towards free market capitalism and individual liberty, and loses this horrible religious socialism its been pushing for years.

Also, i think many objectivists overexaggerate the effect slightly higher taxation has. Sure it sucks, but much more important is the character of the people surrounding you, than whether the government robs 20 or 25% from your wallet. The US is still, from the most leftist democrats to the most nutty religious right wingers, the country where the pursuit of happiness is widely held as an ideal, and small changes in economic policies are not going to change that. I cant think of a single country in the world, where Obama would be considered a "true" leftist, and at least here in Finland he would fit in nicely with our "right wing".

As i like to say: "I would much rather live in a "socialist" country full of capitalists, than in a "capitalist" country full of socialists." What matters is how you can yourself affect your own situation, and the fact that someone wants to rob slightly more from you than the next guy, is not that big of a deal. It sucks, but all these knee jerk responses about some apocalypse are really laughable. McCain would not have fixed the economy any better than Obama, and now at least the socialists get the blame for it....

The only really important things in US elections i would consern myself with is national security and keeping the religious nuts out of office. Both candidates had bad national security policies, but at least Obamas election stopped the religious threat, so im happy with Obama being elected....

But the main jist of my post: Dont embarrass yourself with these knee jerk reactions.....

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