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I couldn't believe the turnout of people in the freezing temperatures for this guy.

I heard bits and pieces of the speech. Then I heard NPR commentators; what a load! (Paraphrasing) "He was very honest with the American People. He knows there is a lot of work cut out for him, and they will give him time to fix it." Not even a hint of skepticism toward his ability to "fix" in their voices, much less a discussion about it.

Sometimes it's hard to stay positive when the country seems to be steadily flushing itself down the crapper...

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I couldn't believe the turnout of people in the freezing temperatures for this guy.

I heard bits and pieces of the speech. Then I heard NPR commentators; what a load! (Paraphrasing) "He was very honest with the American People. He knows there is a lot of work cut out for him, and they will give him time to fix it." Not even a hint of skepticism toward his ability to "fix" in their voices, much less a discussion about it.

Sometimes it's hard to stay positive when the country seems to be steadily flushing itself down the crapper...

Our politically correct dominated culture doesn't help either. What with people being pressured by their peers to accept unearned guilt for NOT voting for a black man. How evil do you have to be in order to want to prevent history from taking place?

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I didn't watch it, but I bet I know what his message was. If he had one at all. blah blah blah altruism.

I didn't watch it either, but how are these things unique anymore? We pretty much know the spiel.

What is :) about this whole situation is that talking to an Obama supporter is like talking to a brick wall. And even those who didn't vote for him seem like they are laying down for this guy.

I'm annoyed at the very idea of his name nowadays. Every time I hear or read something that praises this man, I get emotional, and they're never good emotions.

His policies don't make sense, but that's not news to people frequenting these forums. What is annoying is that his supporters are demanding acceptance with whatever he does. That somehow he will do no wrong, and if the country is financially ruined it won't be his fault - and THAT is perhaps the most annoying part of this all. That he would be allowed to walk away smiling with a fat pension and his lust for power satisfied. That his policies make no sense, don't have to make sense, and need no explanation as to how they are in the best interest of Americans.

If you try to explain that there is no way his policies can work, you are marginalized/discounted. It feels like another Global Warming cult.

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I didn't watch it either, but how are these things unique anymore? We pretty much know the spiel.

What is :) about this whole situation is that talking to an Obama supporter is like talking to a brick wall. And even those who didn't vote for him seem like they are laying down for this guy.

I'm annoyed at the very idea of his name nowadays. Every time I hear or read something that praises this man, I get emotional, and they're never good emotions.

His policies don't make sense, but that's not news to people frequenting these forums. What is annoying is that his supporters are demanding acceptance with whatever he does. That somehow he will do no wrong, and if the country is financially ruined it won't be his fault - and THAT is perhaps the most annoying part of this all. That he would be allowed to walk away smiling with a fat pension and his lust for power satisfied. That his policies make no sense, don't have to make sense, and need no explanation as to how they are in the best interest of Americans.

If you try to explain that there is no way his policies can work, you are marginalized/discounted. It feels like another Global Warming cult.

I am completely with you.

There is this strange cultural shift that we are witnessing at an alarming rate. First that socialism is actually a "free market," and second that explicit racism, like say, hoping that "white will do right" is so perfectly acceptable that a US president can put it in his innaugural celebration and have people cheer wildly. I gather from the large number of people I know personally who voted for and support him, that many voted for him "because he is black." There seems to be a widely held belief that blacks, having been victims can do no wrong. Our national concept of credibility seems to have shifted completely to black males. I was reading recently that our general concept of god, has switched from old white guys with english accents to james earl jones and morgan freeman.

Another study that I read gave an extremely, poorly written essay to 19 year old white, female college students. Half were told that the essay was written by a white male, while the other half were told that the essay was written by a white male. The responses to the "white" paper were berated heavily. Told that they shouldn't even be in college, even. Those written by black males were corrected but with more gentle constructive criticism.

I think that a misplaced and exaggerated sense of white guilt is so pervasive, regardless of the actions of those individual rights, that all meaningful criticism has been silenced. I shudder to think about the longterm consequences of a government as socialized as ours going forward without criticism.

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I find it disturbing that Americans are so emotionally invested in any politician. Rather than living their lives and improving their own situations, much of the country seems to be looking for a helping handout. And, who cares that the handout is stolen from one of their fellow citizens? This is a new country, and the change isn't positive if you value freedom.

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I find it disturbing that Americans are so emotionally invested in any politician. Rather than living their lives and improving their own situations, much of the country seems to be looking for a helping handout. And, who cares that the handout is stolen from one of their fellow citizens? This is a new country, and the change isn't positive if you value freedom.

Yeah...I was just reading something interesting about this Obama phenomenon. Not only do these die hard supporters want to evade self-responsibility...they want to make other people just as dependent as they are regardless of what is in the best interest of that person.

...I guess that shouldn't come as a huge surprise...but it's very disappointing.

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This is to be expected. It is the inevitable result of an increasingly irrelevant public "education," coupled with an entitlement mentality and a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of individual rights.

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This is to be expected. It is the inevitable result of an increasingly irrelevant public "education," coupled with an entitlement mentality and a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of individual rights.

If I recall correctly, Obama says he wants to integrate "service" into our children's education.

Yep, right here. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/#service-learning

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[...] and second that explicit racism, like say, hoping that "white will do right" is so perfectly acceptable that a US president can put it in his innaugural celebration and have people cheer wildly.

So you heard this too, it was astounding!!! Racist not just for grouping people by race, which nearly everyone finds acceptable today. But flat out anti-white racism, here is the relevant part of Rev. Lowery's benediction:

Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around -- (laughter) -- when yellow will be mellow -- (laughter) -- when the red man can get ahead, man -- (laughter) -- and when white will embrace what is right.

Link: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/01/re...ion_benedi.html

Notice the method: name a racial group (gang, tribe) and then say how things can be improved for them. All the groups are victims of some sort; they have been wronged, and who is to blame? White people, since we need to "work for that day when" they will finally "embrace what is right". Disgusting.

I think that a misplaced and exaggerated sense of white guilt is so pervasive, regardless of the actions of those individual rights, that all meaningful criticism has been silenced. I shudder to think about the longterm consequences of a government as socialized as ours going forward without criticism.

Yes, judging by the last week of fawning praise, idolization, and benighted acceptance of Obama, I'm afraid the next four years could be much worse than I had imagined.

The Republicans are in the minority and they don't have a leg to stand on, they are as ideologically and morally bankrupt as liberals. What are they going to do? Go back to the religious dogma disguised as policy that Bush pushed? Many of them know that that doesn't work and besides Obama has stolen that mantel from them anyway. They could try to act on capitalist principle, which would be good and would work, but they don't actually practice those principles or even believe them, and they certainly can't defend them.

Nope, Obama will get whatever he wants and no one will oppose him. The methods available for dealing with apostates are manifold. Playing the race card or even threatening to play it will work. Since no one seems to know what the actual solution to our problems are, everyone seems willing to give him a chance to try his plan. If you don't give him that chance, like you gave Bush, then you are obviously a racist. The ultra-liberal press is on his side (as you can tell by the anointing they gave him) so good luck getting a different view aired. If nothing he does works, then it can all be blamed on Bush. If the economy does happen to improve, and it probably will because how much worse can it get, then he will get the credit. This is gonna get ugly.

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I'm guessing you guys didn't hear him when he said that he would get rid of the government programs that don't work...

I heard him say something along the lines of, "It's not about whether government is too big or too small. It's about whether it works."

So... it doesn't matter whether it's wrong or right, but whether it gets the job done.

How exactly does he define what "works" anyway? There's not a single government program (bar the necessary ones) that work NEARLY as well as a free-market alternative would. Do you think that means he's going to scrap all of them? Not a prayer. Governments make every excuse in the book for keeping disfunctional programs active. Even if they're costing the US tax payer an exponential amount more than a market alternative would, so long as some poor (undeserving) folks are getting help, they'll have an excuse keep them going.

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