TheEgoist Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/us/18rumsfeld.html?hp Pretty questionable why Christian quotes were plastered all over government documents, eh? Eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Rather than Bush administration, from the article it seems that some general somewhere needs to be reprimanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 In the selection of the cover sheets... Gents this is nothing to get steamed about when you consider where these quotes were located in the briefing, namely the cover sheet. Would you consider a quote by Sun Tzu to be out of context? This is meant to be (and is probably nothing more than) window dressing for what are in most cases dry sterile briefings. It happens all over. It happens in business. every time some guy giving a sales pitch tries to choose some witty quote that speaks to his audience. It's not like there was a quote from the bible contained as an integral part of a briefing on Iraqi Tactics Techniques and procedures calling for the Christian domination of Babylon or some such nonsense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 No Biggie. "Nothing to see here - move along." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) Gents this is nothing to get steamed about when you consider where these quotes were located in the briefing, namely the cover sheet. Would you consider a quote by Sun Tzu to be out of context? This is meant to be (and is probably nothing more than) window dressing for what are in most cases dry sterile briefings. It happens all over. It happens in business. every time some guy giving a sales pitch tries to choose some witty quote that speaks to his audience. It's not like there was a quote from the bible contained as an integral part of a briefing on Iraqi Tactics Techniques and procedures calling for the Christian domination of Babylon or some such nonsense... Would there be this dust-up had he used Objectivist quotes? Would you care to count the Biblical quotes that are used as a matter of course?? "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind", "in the twinkling of an eye" Even the prfanity "God dammit"* Many of the quotes have secular usage. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". etc... To drive home a point I often say "Go to Hell. Go directly to Hell, Do not pass Purgatory, Do not collect 200 indulgences" Most people would understand what is meant in those terms. We speak of Apocolyptic and "all Hell breaking loose" Now, some of the practices of the Marine Corps might be questionable. You guys would hate this http://cockpit.spacepatrol.us/09feb.html *"Galt dammit"?....Hmmmm...I dunno. It can, however, be abreviated "GD" Edited May 23, 2009 by Space Patroller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadkat Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Rather than Bush administration, from the article it seems that some general somewhere needs to be reprimanded. It wasn't a general, it was Donald Rumsfeld. And most likely what he was doing by putting those quotes on there was trying to manipulate Bush himself through his belief, to help convince the president of his own righteousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 It wasn't a general, it was Donald Rumsfeld. And most likely what he was doing by putting those quotes on there was trying to manipulate Bush himself through his belief, to help convince the president of his own righteousness. You might want to read the article again... A series of cover sheets for intelligence reports written for Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and other senior Pentagon officials during the early days of the war in Iraq in 2003 were adorned with biblical quotations, and appeared Sunday, six years later, on the Web site of GQ magazine. βThe suggestion that Rumsfeld would have used these reports to somehow curry favor over at the White House is pretty laughable,β Mr. Di Rita said. βHe bristled anytime people put quotes or something extraneous on the reports he wanted to read.β emphasis mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Patroller Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 You might want to read the article again... βThe suggestion that Rumsfeld would have used these reports to somehow curry favor over at the White House is pretty laughable,β Mr. Di Rita said. βHe bristled anytime people put quotes or something extraneous on the reports he wanted to read.β emphasis mine There was a book written in the middle of this dacade called RUMSFELD'S WAR the author of which appeared on Jim Bohannon's show and he said that Rummy was under the influence of "the Vulcans", mainly Perl and Wolfowitz who were his intellectaul superiors I heard that Perl and Wolfowitz were involved since '98 with something called "The American Century" which I dismissed as tinfoil tyrolian stuff until I saw the webstie in '04. What this amounted to when you get through the verbiage was some kind of US quasi-empire from what I got of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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