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Hello.

I just discovered this forum via Google, and I think this might just be the kind of forum I was looking for.

What was I looking for, then? Well, you see, I live in a country which really aspires to become the next Absurdistan. The people in Sweden tend to regard themselves as the world's moral leaders; thus the socialist propaganda is something really weird.

(Just an example to illustrate my point: This week the former leader of the socialist-party proposed that all men in the country should, legally, be punished as a group with a special "men's tax" to compensate all the women who are being abused by their partners. Could you believe it -- all the newspapers are seriously commenting on the issue, and even debating it!)

Now, what I am looking for is a serious Objectivist community which does not tolerate or sanction those who, implicitly or explicitly, destroy the very concept of objectivity.

For the moment, I prefer to be anonymous for private reasons.

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I just discovered this forum via Google, and I think this might just be the kind of forum I was looking for.

What was I looking for, then? Well, you see, I live in a country which really aspires to become the next Absurdistan. The people in Sweden tend to regard themselves as the world's moral leaders; thus the socialist propaganda is something really weird.

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Now, what I am looking for is a serious Objectivist community which does not tolerate or sanction those who, implicitly or explicitly, destroy the very concept of objectivity.

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Welcome, Soulsurfer. ObjectivismOnline is the best discussion board -- and online community -- that I have yet found. In general, the standards are high. Not every participant is an Objectivist, but that is good news. The discussions benefit from some radical disagreement. Likewise, not everyone makes substantive comments, but they are usually few. The moderators are effective in removing or reproving violations of etiquette (as described in "Forum Rules").

There is a natural tendency for many participants in this forum to discuss their own -- U. S. A. -- issues as applications of philosophy. The U. S. A., at the moment, is the main protector of Western Civilization and the main hope for the future. However, questions and comments from Objectivists in other countries should be welcome because such questions are a reminder that philosophy applies to everyone, everywhere, at all times.

I hope you participate regularly and as articulately, informatively, and respectfully as you have done in your initial post.

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Thanks for your welcome. I do like what I've seen so far out of this forum.

FYI: I was introduced to Ayn Rands philosophy by first reading Anthem, We the living, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged (in that order). Then I wanted to explore this original philosophy in its depth and went out on the Internet to do some research.

The only problem was that my initial encounters with self-proclaimed "objectivists" here in Sweden (I am not fluent in the English language) were no good. In fact, their very attitude cut me off: They kept telling me that Ayn Rand had a great mind but a defective personality -- I thought their ad hominem conclusions were insulting to my intelligence. Besides that, I thought these "objectivists" were a bunch of rationalist pretenders, treating an individual philosophy as if it were a science like physics or mathematics. I won't give them a minute of my time anymore.

My aim is to study Objectivism as an integrated whole, not as a puzzle of fragments assembled from an arbitrary collection of "tolerationist" interpretations. That is why I am so concerned with finding people who do discuss the philosophy objectively; I just simply don't want to lose any time. (I work 10-12 hours a day and struggle hard to invest new energy and quality in my marriage; this in a country which has the highest taxrates in the world today.)

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The only problem was that my initial encounters with self-proclaimed "objectivists" here in Sweden (I am not fluent in the English language) were no good. In fact, their very attitude cut me off: They kept telling me that Ayn Rand had a great mind but a defective personality -- I thought their ad hominem conclusions were insulting to my intelligence. Besides that, I thought these "objectivists" were a bunch of rationalist pretenders, treating an individual philosophy as if it were a science like physics or mathematics. I won't give them a minute of my time anymore.

You seem to have pretty good command of the English language to me. :D Anyways, sorry to hear about your taxes.. nevertheless, Welcome! :rolleyes:

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You seem to have pretty good command of the English language to me.  B) Anyways, sorry to hear about your taxes.. nevertheless, Welcome!  :D

Thanks and thanks. :)

If you haven't read it already this book should help you a lot. I picked it up after I read the three primary novels and couldn’t put it down.

A nice book suggestion. In fact, I'm listening to the original 1976 OPAR-lectures right now. After that, I read OPAR. After that, I write about OPAR (in my own study journals). After that, I dream of OPAR. (Hmmm... Maybe lucid dreaming is turning me rationalistic?) B)

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Thanks, Betsy, for your kind support. I do want to meet serious Objectivists -- later on. However, right now I'll just focus on my own studies of Objectivism. The social interaction with real Objectivists will be important to me, but I won't be ready for it unless I've gained a little more advanced understanding of the philosophy, by efforts of my own inductive thinking. I will study hard; that way I will have something of real value to offer when I deal with them.

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Hi Soulsurfer!

I am from Sweden myself -- I just recently moved to the US.

You might want to know that every year since 2000 (if my memory serves me right) there have been Objectivist conferences in Oslo, and this year in London. Most participants have been from Norway, Sweden, and the UK.

These conferences have been overwhelmingly attended by *real* Objectivists. (The compromising, Ayn Rand-hating types generally stay away form these events.) More importantly, the Europan conferences have been *excellent* values in terms of content.

Another good thing about these events is that one can choose how much social activities one wants to participate in. The events are structured in such a way that it is purely optional how much one wants to mingle with other people. The primary focus is always on the lectures.

So when you feel ready to get your feet wet meeting other Objectivists in real life, I would recommend going to one of these conferences. (Or to the US conferences, of course, but those are usually 5-10 times more expensive to attend for someone from Europe.)

Best regards,

Christian Wernstedt

(Goteborg, now New York)

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Soulsurfer, judging by you tagline, you appear to be a Rush Fan.

Not really a fan, but their music is OK. My wife is the Rush-fan in the family. She also listens to a Finnish rockband called "Nightwish" that I like. Ever heard of it?

Did you happen upon Rand via the references to her in some earlier Rush albums?
Nope.

That was my intro to Rand.

Cool. A friend introduced me to Ayn Rand's novels.

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Hello.

I live in a country which really aspires to become the next Absurdistan.

Now, what I am looking for is a serious Objectivist community which does not tolerate or sanction those who, implicitly or explicitly, destroy the very concept of objectivity.

Welcome to our community. Unfortunately you are still in Absurdistan, we just refer to it as "Earth". :yarr:

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