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It has been 3 days and still almost no coverage in the main-stream media.

It was a weekend afterall.

A discussion about the coverage so far:

The CRU hack - What a difference an internet makes

Unlike the BBC's attempt to bury the lead and evade the moral aspect of the emails (see my last post), the story made the NYT today:

Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute - NY Times

The avalanche has begun...it is too late for the pebbles to vote. Kosh

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Unlike the BBC's attempt to bury the lead...

Not everyone at BBC is biased. Paul Hudson recently wrote this article. He also posted today that some of the e-mails released on the internet are identical to the ones that he was forwarded more than a month ago, on Oct 12 which were written as a direct result of his article. Someone send him their comments about his article. Michael Mann wrote that he was extremely disappointed to see something like that appear on BBC. He said it was particularly odd since climate is usually handled by Richard Black and he does "great job" and that he will contact Richard Black about what is going on up there at BBC. File name is: 1255523796.txt

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Today, on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, I filed three Notices of Intent to File Suit against NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), for those bodies' refusal - for nearly three years - to provide documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act. The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding "ClimateGate" scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries' freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies. Numerous informed commenters had alleged such behavior for years, all of which appears to be affirmed by leaked emails, computer codes and other data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UK's East Anglia University.

All of that material and that sought for years by CEI go to the heart of the scientific claims and campaign underpinning the Kyoto Protocol, its planned successor treaty, "cap-and-trade" legislation and the EPA's threatened regulatory campaign to impose similar measures through the back door.

CEI sought the following documents, among others, NASA’s failure to provide which within thirty days will prompt CEI to file suit in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia:

- internal discussions about NASA’s quiet correction of its false historical U.S. temperature records after two Canadian researchers discovered a key statistical error, specifically discussion about whether and why to correct certain records, how to do so, the impact or wisdom or potential (or real) fallout therefrom or reaction to doing so (requested August 2007);

- internal discussions relating to the emails sent to James Hansen and/or Reto A. Ruedy from Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre calling their attention to the errors in NASA/GISS online temperature data (August 2007);

- those relating to the content, importance or propriety of workday-hour posts or entries by GISS/NASA employee Gavin A. Schmidt on the weblog or “blog” RealClimate, which is owned by the advocacy Environmental Media Services and was started as an effort to defend the debunked “Hockey Stick” that is so central to the CRU files. RealClimate.org is implicated in the leaked files, expressly offered as a tool to be used “in any way you think would be helpful” to a certain advocacy campaign, including an assertion of Schmidt’s active involvement in, e.g., delaying and/or screening out unhelpful input by “skeptics” attempting to comment on claims made on the website.

This and the related political activism engaged in are inappropriate behavior for a taxpayer-funded employee, particularly on taxpayer time. These documents were requested in January 2007 and NASA/GISS have refused to date to comply with their legal obligation to produce responsive documents.

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Lord Monckton weighs in with a hard hitting article:

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog

excerpt:

The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the “global warming” fraud - for fraud is what we now know it to be - tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world’s four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years - and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.

and

What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.

No, they’re not. They’re criminals.

Emphasis mine.

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Haha, I saw that. It's also nice that all the pro-GW scientists are hoping that climate change starts again soon. If their scenarios are true, that would be a catastrophe. That either implies that a) they don't believe their own data, and aren't really worried about global warming but just want the control, or b ) they want to see misery happening. It's sad and disgusting.

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The people vs. CRU - a post explaining one person's struggle to obtain data from CRU for the purpose of scientific verification.

Reproducibility is one of the main principles of the scientific method. Usually all data is attached and published together with the paper or alternatively a link is provided to where anyone can find it on the internet (ftp site, for example). It is a normal practice for other researchers to repeat the same experiment, based on the original experimental description.

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The people vs. CRU - a post explaining one person's struggle to obtain data from CRU for the purpose of scientific verification.

Reproducibility is one of the main principles of the scientific method. Usually all data is attached and published together with the paper or alternatively a link is provided to where anyone can find it on the internet (ftp site, for example). It is a normal practice for other researchers to repeat the same experiment, based on the original experimental description.

In fact, we just went over the NIH policy that anyone who gets funding has to share their work and materials with other groups in order to advance scientific knowledge. The propriety of government funding aside, why isn't that the case with other programs? I can see keeping things silent if you get private funding, but with taxpayer grants? They should be required to make it completely transparent so that it's reviewable and open. That cannot possibly be bad for the science that's going on in the field. It's bizarre that the US government (and the UK) is giving away so much money with apparently no strings attached.

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The propriety of government funding aside, why isn't that the case with other programs?

Usually it is. When authors withhold data like this, they run the risk of losing the trust of the science community (as we see happening).

In this case, we are talking about temperatures, and list of stations used for analysis. No proprietary interests, no national security issues, no patient/victim confidentiality concerns. Geographical locations and past temperatures.

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Interview with Marc Morano. He talks about the fact that this was always about global governing through global taxes and global regulations and that even though GW theory is dying - new envioronmental fear mongering theories (like possble shortage of oxygen in the future due to human activity) are already emerging.

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... - new envioronmental fear mongering theories (like possble shortage of oxygen in the future due to human activity) are already emerging.
Yes, the environmentalists have an approach that goes like this:

  • Step 1: identify some change in the environment, over the last few years, which is caused by human beings enjoying themselves
  • Step 2: then try to make a case as to why this change is harmful (ideally, an injustice of the rich at the cost of the poor)

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Interesting... if you type climategate into Google you get two helpful popup suggestions "Climate Guatemala" and "Climate Guatemala city" if you ignore those and hit search their search engine comes up with 3,050,000 suggestions for "climategate"...

Control the medium, control the message.

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Interview with Marc Morano. He talks about the fact that this was always about global governing through global taxes and global regulations and that even though GW theory is dying - new envioronmental fear mongering theories (like possble shortage of oxygen in the future due to human activity) are already emerging.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

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Putting AGW aside for a second...

What this incident brought to focus is the widespread lack of professional integrity in journalism today.

Still very little reporting (aside from Fox). I herd that in UK, this got absolutely no TV coverage - just small articles in newspapers - no front page placement. Journalism ethics and standards used to include: truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability. I find this almost world wide mass media silence very troubling.

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Australia’s parliament just imploded over discord due to emissions trading scheme. Few senior liberal MPs and senators resigned in protest against cap and trade.

Not quite. It's the shadow-minsterial structure of Liberal Party (as in Classical Liberal, nominally) that has imploded and position of leader of the opposition, held by Malcolm Turnbull, now put in doubt. The Australian Labor Party still holds power, Kevin Rudd, is still PM, and the various actual ministers are still in their positions.

What it does mean is that the Liberal members who are no longer shadow-ministers aren't required to follow Turnbull's lead in favour of Labor's ETS legislation. In response, KRudd and Labor are now reportedly considering rushing the vote on the ETS legislation. The legislation just needs six or seven votes from Liberal MPs to add to Labor's own set, and may yet get them (so they hope).

Also, what I find curious is that the arguments for the resignations are all pragmatic, revolving around objection to tax hikes and job losses plus a wait-and-see approach to the outcome of what goes on in Copenhagen (this is even Senator Minchin's position, which is annoying). As far as is reported in the media there is no reference either to the CRU scandal nor to general morality as a motive for the resignations. Turnbull is still on record as being adamant that the Liberal Party wont be a haven for AGW skeptics, and over in Victoria the State Liberal MP's are still strong advocates of "carbon pollution" reduction. This is nothing more than a semi-minor setback for the AGW crowd - but it does now mean that an AGW-skeptic wont be seen as a loner freak who isn't supported by anyone.

JJM

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From the Accuracy in Media site, three articles:

Climate Smokescreen At The New York Times

which discusses the media's hypocrisy of focusing on the potential illegality of the exposure...

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/climate-smok...the-n.y.-times/

Media Ignore Climate Science Scandal

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-ignore...cience-scandal/

Andrew Revkin Spins ‘ClimateGate’ Story

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/andrew-revki...mategate-story/

Also, from The New Atlantis - A Journal ot Technology & Society:

The Climate E-mails and the Politics of Science by Ivan Kenneally

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications...tics-of-science

"But notwithstanding the e-mails’ route to publication, their actual content is extraordinary. These behind-the-scenes discussions among leading global-warming exponents are remarkable both in their candor and in their sheer contempt for scientific objectivity. There can be little doubt after even a casual perusal that the scientific case for global warming and the policy that springs from it are based upon a volatile combination of political ideology, unapologetic mendacity, and simmering contempt for even the best-intentioned disagreement."

"...the CRU e-mails shows a breathtaking pattern of ideological rigidity and academic fraudulence that is simultaneously egregious and casually self-satisfied."

"Unquestioning loyalty to a political platform is understood to be the precondition of scientific authenticity."

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We have learned from much experience, that all philosophical intuitions about what nature is going to do, fail. Feynman

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Here is my position on the illegality. This is like a guy stealing evidence to expose a murder. The only difference is that the government power being accrued as a result of this GW issue will result in countless deaths if it's not stopped. So, this guy is a hero in my book. If he's found I hope he gets a medal and lots of money for saving our asses.

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