tommyedison Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I despise John McCain and I really, really hope that my choice in '08 isn't between him and the Hildabeast. You mean you will vote for McCain instead of Hillary? Just take a look at these two links and McCain's efforts to destroy the freedom of speech. Link 1 Link 2 Hell, I would take McGovern over McCain. Atleast Govern didn't attempt to destroy the First Amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_unicorn Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 You mean you will vote for McCain instead of Hillary? Just take a look at these two links and McCain's efforts to destroy the freedom of speech. Link 1 Link 2 Hell, I would take McGovern over McCain. Atleast Govern didn't attempt to destroy the First Amendment. McCain is a fascist, there is no doubt about it, and from what I understand his censor-happy democrat ally Russ Feingold also plans to run. It's Mussolini and his german protege, back from the dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 In an op-ed, Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain has called for free-market reform in health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOdden Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 So now that McCain has won another state, and Giuliani only did a bit better than the fringer Huckabee, we have to take very seriously the McCain possibility, at least for another week. What's really annoying and depressing is that I'm wondering "Is he any better or worse than Billary or Lucky O'bama". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 So now that McCain has won another state, and Giuliani only did a bit better than the fringer Huckabee, we have to take very seriously the McCain possibility, at least for another week. What's really annoying and depressing is that I'm wondering "Is he any better or worse than Billary or Lucky O'bama". I think it's becoming clear that the Republican nominee will be McCain. He's winning in most of the important "Super Tuesday" states and now Giuliani has endorsed him. The Dem ticket will likely be headed by Madame Clinton, as she won a media victory in Florida and will probably do better than her well-spoken socialist opponent on Feb. 5. Ugggh... this is boiling down to a choice between an unstable ex-POW and a raving leftist bitch. Definitely not what I had hoped for..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Have you guys ever watched a horse race? There is always time for someone to come up from behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Nomination isn't secured yet, but looking increasingly likely for McCain. I can't stand this empty suit, he's garbage. I predict he expands the role of government tremendously; his campaign is built around the idea that he will be able to get public financing in a "worst-case" scenario, and I have no doubt he would accept as much public funding as possible. This whole liberal progressive primary process needs to be trashed in my estimation and we should return to party leaders nominating candidates in smoke-filled rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgoist Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 McCain is the ultimate " Go With the Breathe " candidate. Not a bit of principle in him, and unfortunately its between him and Obama it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Saw an interesting op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about McCain today. A few quotes of it: Yet the gulf between Democratic and Republican approaches to constitutional law and the role of the federal courts is greater than at any time since the New Deal. With a Democratic Senate, Democratic presidents would be able to confirm adherents of the theory of the "Living Constitution" -- in essence empowering judges to update the Constitution to advance their own conception of a better world. This would threaten the jurisprudential gains of the past three decades, and provide new impetus to judicial activism of a kind not seen since the 1960s. We believe that the nomination of John McCain is the best option to preserve the ongoing restoration of constitutional government. He is by far the most electable Republican candidate remaining in the race, and based on his record is as likely to appoint judges committed to constitutionalism as Mitt Romney, a candidate for whom we also have great respect. You can view the full text here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1202095367...in_commentaries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 The prospect of more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs on the court is a frightening one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 My two cents - I will be very upset if the Republicans go with McCain. My position is somewhere between Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. If McCain gets the nomination I' ll seriously think about becoming a 'Hillary Girl.' Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 My two cents - I will be very upset if the Republicans go with McCain. My position is somewhere between Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. If McCain gets the nomination I' ll seriously think about becoming a 'Hillary Girl.' Val What's the reasoning behind that choice? As bad as McCain is on so many issues, Hillary is worse. Limbaugh and Coulter seem to think it would be better to have the Clintons screw up the country so that we can blame it on them, rather than have McCain screw it up so that the Republicans get the blame. Is that also your position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 My two cents - I will be very upset if the Republicans go with McCain. My position is somewhere between Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. If McCain gets the nomination I' ll seriously think about becoming a 'Hillary Girl.' I see two important issues in this election: the war against Islamism and the creeping of further statism. McCain could conceivably fight the war effectively. Certainly better than Hillary or Obama would even want to. But he'd let more statism in than either Democratic frontrunner. Not so much that he's more statist than they are, but that the republicans in Congress woul allow him to do more and oppose him much less, as has happened with G.W. Bush. They'd oppose Hillary or Obama a lot more, as they opposed Clinton. So which is more important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 McCain could conceivably fight the war effectively. Certainly better than Hillary or Obama would even want to. But he'd let more statism in than either Democratic frontrunner. Not so much that he's more statist than they are, but that the republicans in Congress woul allow him to do more and oppose him much less, as has happened with G.W. Bush. They'd oppose Hillary or Obama a lot more, as they opposed Clinton. The Republicans have so abandoned their principles (and in the process lost their base of support) that they won't control the House and may very well lose the ability to block legislation in the Senate after this next election. With either Hillary or Obama and both a Democrat controlled House and Senate, we are in for a massive dose of statism. If the Dems are going to control Congress, I'd prefer to see a Republican president so that there is someone at least pretending to stand in their way. For those of you planning to vote for Hillary, the title of her op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal is: "My Plan for Shared Prosperity". Bend over baby, 'cuz here it comes..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 The Republicans have so abandoned their principles (and in the process lost their base of support) that they won't control the House and may very well lose the ability to block legislation in the Senate after this next election. Very likely they won't control the House, true. But the minority party can always resort to filibusters every time it wants. The Democrats blocked Bush very effectively that way prior to 2007. But look at Bush's drug prescription plan. The Republicans wouldn't have supported such a thing from A democrat, but they did for their guy. The Democrats merely complained it wasn't big enough. If McCain picks Rudy as VP, well, I do draw the line at wishing people dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Very likely they won't control the House, true. But the minority party can always resort to filibusters every time it wants. The Democrats blocked Bush very effectively that way prior to 2007. The Democrats were able to block Bush because he was very weak in the polls and unable to rally his own party to support him. The Republicans in Congress are so pathetic I wouldn't bet much on their willingness to stand up to a popular Democrat president. But look at Bush's drug prescription plan. The Republicans wouldn't have supported such a thing from A democrat, but they did for their guy. The Democrats merely complained it wasn't big enough. That is definitely the problem with Republican statists like Bush 41 & 43, Nixon, and McCain. However, with Dems in control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency, I'm afraid the Republicans would collapse like a house of cards. We'll end up with national healthcare, massive tax increases and environmental regulations that will cripple this country's economy for decades to come. As distastefull as I find McCain, I think he can be counted on to not raise taxes (at least not as much as Clinton or Obama) and to evade the national healthcare train that is roaring down the tracks. As far as the environment is concerned, he sucks badly on that issue. However, there is probably a better chance of someone talking sense to McCain on the environment than there is of either Hillary or Obama changing their positions on that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 The Democrats were able to block Bush because he was very weak in the polls and unable to rally his own party to support him. The Republicans in Congress are so pathetic I wouldn't bet much on their willingness to stand up to a popular Democrat president. I refer you to the first half of Clinton's first term. among other things, the minority Republicans mannaged to quash Bill's stimulous package and Hillarycare. At the time Clinton was quite popular and had plenty of support from his party. Of course, things ahve changed. The repubs are more statist than they used to be. However, with Dems in control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency, I'm afraid the Republicans would collapse like a house of cards. They might. I think it's more likely they'll rally and try to repeat 1994. of course that's aprt of the problem: perpetually trying to repeat history. We'll end up with national healthcare, massive tax increases and environmental regulations that will cripple this country's economy for decades to come. A president McCain may not push healthcare. But he will push environmentla regulations galore. He's a confirmed global warming hysteric, after all. He'll institute energy rationing through the cap and trade system. As far as the environment is concerned, he sucks badly on that issue. However, there is probably a better chance of someone talking sense to McCain on the environment than there is of either Hillary or Obama changing their positions on that issue. I don't think McCain will be diverted on that front. And he would face little opposition from his own party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the reasoning behind that choice? As bad as McCain is on so many issues, Hillary is worse. Limbaugh and Coulter seem to think it would be better to have the Clintons screw up the country so that we can blame it on them, rather than have McCain screw it up so that the Republicans get the blame. Is that also your position? No, that's not my position. I think McCain is so unreliable ideologically that if elected it's possible he could do more damage to freedom than Hillary. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clawg Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) In West Virginia McCain endorsed Huckabee after the first vote so that Romney doesn't get 50%. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...y_leads_on.html Edited February 5, 2008 by Clawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 In West Virginia McCain endorsed Huckabee after the first vote so that Romney doesn't get 50%. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...y_leads_on.html Hah. I'm tellin you, this guy is complete garbage. He belongs in Soviet Russia, or possibly back in Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 No, that's not my position. I think McCain is so unreliable ideologically that if elected it's possible he could do more damage to freedom than Hillary. Val Given their stated positions on the major issues, how is that possible? I don't care much for McCain either, but I think she is a Marxist who has moderated her views to get elected. I suppose we'll all find out soon enough, as I'm convinced she's going to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clawg Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hah. I'm tellin you, this guy is complete garbage. He belongs in Soviet Russia, or possibly back in Vietnam. "I will inspire a generation of Americans to serve a cause greater than their self-interest" McCain The more I read about him the more I see a "Mr. Thompson" in him. If McCain gets nominated I hope the Democrats win the election so that McCain's ideas get buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I keep trying to figure out why Rudy indorses McCain. the are so different on the issues!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I keep trying to figure out why Rudy indorses McCain. the are so different on the issues!! He prefers McCain to Romney. I also have the sneaking suspicion that he wants a McCain/Giuliani ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 He prefers McCain to Romney. I also have the sneaking suspicion that he wants a McCain/Giuliani ticket. Yup. The most likely meaning of endorsing a front runner is: "I want to be VP." Of course, no one endorsing McCain will be Vice President, because McCain will not be President ... unless he runs as a Democrat in some future election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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