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The guy claims to like "We The Living" (not the Fountainhead or Atlas, something shorter), "The Communist Manifesto" (a bloody pamphlet) and "Mein Kampf" (a load of gibberish that no one has ever read start to finish, ever). I mean really, he might as well list "catcher in the rye" and get a middle name.

But hey, using crazy people to do your dirty work has been a fine, long tradition. Anyone care to enlighten a foreigner as to what makes this congresswoman so murder-worthy? Because to me, for now, she seems rather grey from both left and right points of view.

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Capitalist countries erect walls to keep people out. Socialist countries erect walls to keep people in. If that's not an indication of one systems' superiority over the other, I don't know what is.

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Upon hearing of the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and fourteen others, and that she was a "moderate" Democrat, my initial suspicion immediately was that she was chosen to be sacrificed to the cause of the more hardcore totalitarian factions within the Democratic Party. It would not surprise me in the least if this shooting is an attempt by the Left to discredit the Tea Party in the eyes of the public. The Left doesn't like to let any crisis go to waste. Reichstag fire, anyone?

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...if this shooting is an attempt by the Left...

What is your evidence that this shooting is an attempt by anyone other than the shooter himself? Elaborate conspiracies by nebulous entities make nice stories for movies, but that's usually where they begin and end.

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What is your evidence that this shooting is an attempt by anyone other than the shooter himself? Elaborate conspiracies by nebulous entities make nice stories for movies, but that's usually where they begin and end.

I do not have any such evidence, as indicated by my statement that this was my initial suspicion. Perhaps I should have further stated that this was only my initial suspicion.

The police are looking for an accomplice. Thus this is not being treated as a lone gunman incident.

From the above linked article:

Giffords, a gun rights advocate, was first elected to Congress in 2006, when she rode a wave of Democratic victories. However, she separated herself from most in her caucus when she criticized President Obama last summer for not sending more National Guard members to the U.S.-Mexico border.

I find it interesting that she was at least somewhat at odds with the Obama administration and other Democrats.

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I do not have any such evidence, as indicated by my statement that this was my initial suspicion. Perhaps I should have further stated that this was only my initial suspicion.

The police are looking for an accomplice. Thus this is not being treated as a lone gunman incident.

From the above linked article:

I find it interesting that she was at least somewhat at odds with the Obama administration and other Democrats.

The fact that this was even your initial suspicion does not point to your rationality. It's like people who, upon seeing initial footage of the plane hitting the tower, thought to themselves "Goddamn George Bush for doing this."

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The police are looking for an accomplice.

They were never looking for an "accomplice", just a person of interest. It turned out they were just looking for the cab driver who dropped him off at the Safeway. They've already found him, questioned him, and cleared him.

You assumed "accomplice". Your initial suspicion was that there was a conspiracy. You should examine the reasons behind both of these thoughts.

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Upon hearing of the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and fourteen others, and that she was a "moderate" Democrat, my initial suspicion immediately was that she was chosen to be sacrificed to the cause of the more hardcore totalitarian factions within the Democratic Party. It would not surprise me in the least if this shooting is an attempt by the Left to discredit the Tea Party in the eyes of the public. The Left doesn't like to let any crisis go to waste. Reichstag fire, anyone?

This is an extremely baseless claim, it's contents are entirely that of wild speculation, and therefore not really appropriate even in the sense of an initial suspicion. Not to mention this specific version adds a bit of flavor from the conspiracy theorist camp. I think you are over dramatizing the Left as a political entity, and also, as a result, not appropriately comparing the Right in the same respect (which often has done as many equally outrageous things as the Left, and sometimes a good bit worse, Alan Turing anyone??). The right is full of mystics, traditionalists and those who wish to impose their views upon others in the social realm,rather than the economic, as is the case with the Democrats. They both treat individual rights as cannon fodder to their own personal interests whenever it is pragmatic for them to do so, just in different domains. They are not our allies, they are, with few exceptions, our enemies, and should not be given special treatment in such criticisms. Lest we need be reminded of the speech video on youtube by Ayn Rand that was nothing but an attack on the Conservatives, who haven't changed much as far as essentials are concerned, from the time that address was made.

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I suppose I leaped to a conclusion myself, and engaged in some wild speculation that upon further consideration, is currently baseless. I commented with incomplete information, shooting my mouth off as it were.

My comments from this morning were ill-considered, and I suppose I may be too willing to imagine a conspiracy behind such an assassination attempt. I am working on writing a novel and allowed my imagination to run with it.

As for my underlying assumptions, I never underestimate the depravity of statists. Though I may at times overestimate their level of organization.

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The answer to that Salon hack is The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010 which points out actual acts of violence, not only hyperbole.

It is intersting to note that left wing rag Daily Kos had maps with a target on Gifford as well (they hated her for being too conservative for a Democrat), they often referenced "targeting" her. Just a couple daily before the shooting Kos writer wrote Markos Moulitsos "Gifford is dead to me". None of the mainstream medfia has picked up any of this of course that I've seen and seems far more inflammatory than Palin's map.

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Both parties have put out amazingly disgusting,childish, and inappropriate hate/violence rhetoric. People need to stop suggesting it is only the Left. In fact more of then than not it has in fact been Republicans as far as the hard stuff (to an extent probably because most of the left base won't tolerate the hard stuff because they are much more anti-gun/pacifistic etc. The Left likes to inappropriately group, name call, and use the racism card a lot though, and there have been other instances, Grames' link is an excellent example of all of that. The issue is that things have gotten way too heated and people need to calm down, get back to sane discussion, stop with this jump the gun "this political party is at fault for ___" as a result of the actions of individuals, and we as people of America need to stop giving credibility, power, and viewership to the people that are propagating this environment, which can only lead to bad things for everyone, regardless of their political beliefs.

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The answer to that Salon hack is The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010 which points out actual acts of violence, not only hyperbole.

Ah, yes... Michelle, because some ding-dong brain-dead loser at a rally who can't even spell the obscenities on his banner is exactly equivalent to a ding-dong brain-dead loser who is being seriously touted as a nominee for the Presidency of the United States.

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Ah, yes... Michelle, because some ding-dong brain-dead loser at a rally who can't even spell the obscenities on his banner is exactly equivalent to a ding-dong brain-dead loser who is being seriously touted as a nominee for the Presidency of the United States.

I take it that one of the "ding-dong brain-dead losers" you refer to is Sarah Palin, but who is the other and why single out that one from the vast cloud of leftist propagandists, vandals and assailants?

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The Golden No-Vitriol Age Wasn’t So Golden -By Jay Weiser via Instapundit.

The most recent age of rampant violence and political assassinations was the 1960's, and it was characterized by exactly the kind of civility in public discourse by the political class, and oligarchy in a narrow broadcast media, as is being held up as an ideal standard now.

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Republicans are calling him a democrat, Democrats are calling him a republican. But this man obviously has no consistent principles - he likes Mein Kampf, he likes the Communist Manifesto, and he likes We The Living. I think it's safe to say that he has no consistent principles, and can be best described as "the man without a purpose".

"The man without a purpose is a man who drifts at the mercy of random feelings or unidentified urges and is capable of any evil, because he is totally out of control of his own life. In order to be in control of your life, you have to have a purpose—a productive purpose . . . . The man who has no purpose, but has to act, acts to destroy others. That is not the same thing as a productive or creative purpose." ~ Ayn Rand, playboy 1964

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