James Bond Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I was watching a documentary on gangs in urban areas...and one of them made the remark that part of the reason they were in a gang was that "working at McDonalds wasn't going to cut it." Well, a fast food worker isn't risking his freedom or life every day. Besides, he could just report to the police that the thug driving the stolen Mercedes is a criminal, and effectively put him behind bars. In that way, criminals are staking everything on the non-snitching nature of others. Thoughts? Edited February 25, 2011 by James Bond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoid Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well, I would say that gang activity is immoral not because gangsters risk their lives or freedom (soldiers do the same thing), but because they are rights violators. I'm not sure what you mean by "the non-snitching nature of others." Do you mean that criminals count on their crimes not being reported by other criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelconservative Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I was watching a documentary on gangs in urban areas...and one of them made the remark that part of the reason they were in a gang was that "working at McDonalds wasn't going to cut it." Well, a fast food worker isn't risking his freedom or life every day. Besides, he could just report to the police that the thug driving the stolen Mercedes is a criminal, and effectively put him behind bars. In that way, criminals are staking everything on the non-snitching nature of others. Thoughts? They are rights violators, vile thugs staking everything on innocent people being too scared and intimidated by them to report them (and other criminals being equally implicated). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm not sure what you mean by "the non-snitching nature of others." Do you mean that criminals count on their crimes not being reported by other criminals? exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCSL Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I agree that criminals rely on the "non-snitching" nature of others but what is it you want to discuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I agree that criminals rely on the "non-snitching" nature of others but what is it you want to discuss? whether or not a person should turn in criminals or just keep to themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalistSwine Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 whether or not a person should turn in criminals or just keep to themselves Why would you not turn in criminals unless in that context you would clearly be in danger for attempting to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 whether or not a person should turn in criminals or just keep to themselves If you live in a society and derive benefits from it (as we all do), of course you should be interested in seeing justice upheld in that society, and putting rights-violators behind bars ought to be a value to you. However, many of these gangs operate through tactics such as intimidating or threatening witnesses, and if those threats are credible, you have no obligation to some reified concept of "justice" or "civic duty" to turn these people in no matter the cost to you or your family. That would be sacrificing yourself and your values. Thus, in the end it comes down to your personal value structure, and the severity and credibility of the threats made against witnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazingtruth Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Consider a scenario which clearly isn't life-threatening: You're in school taking a test, and you become aware that a student is cheating off your test. Clearly, you are not being harmed directly in any way, or are you? Do you tell the teacher? Why? Assuming you do not care more about your reputation with that specific student than you do justice, you should tell the teacher. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasse K. Lien Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 You're in school taking a test, and you become aware that a student is cheating off your test. Clearly, you are not being harmed directly in any way, or are you? Do you tell the teacher? Why? Assuming you do not care more about your reputation with that specific student than you do justice, you should tell the teacher. Am I wrong? - First off I would obviously find such behaviour quite amusing as it certainly would not help him pass the actual test, but assuming it would, I see no reason to make a scene of it. Its not really an issue of "justice" if someone cheats on a test or not. I would not personally do it, but could not care less if others did it unless it explicitly effected me personally. For example if it was a qualifing test for some specific amount of limited jobs/etc. Or in cases where the teachers would compare answers, conclude that one of you had to be cheating (if you both got identical answers wrong several times) and arbitrarily make assumptions that could end with you getting the blame. But aside from that it hardly seems necessary to make a big deal about something that really is not your concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazingtruth Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 What about in cases where the teacher "could" compare answers? There is the *possibility* that the teacher compares answers. I would say that the act of somebody else cheating IS putting yourself at risk in almost all school settings, and thus should be reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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