choo Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Debate on "Fossil fuels: are they a risk to the planet or do they improve it? Thoughts? I'm interested to see how Alex will handle someone at this level... I've seen him debate people from OWS - but most of those people were complete door knobs. Here's the article which triggered this whole thing (referred to in the video) Global Warming's Terrifying New Math Alex's original challenge video: For anyone who's interested you can get DVDs, T-shirts, background info, etc here: McKibben vs Epstein Campaign Edited October 3, 2012 by choo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of Apollo Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 As of 10-15-12, tomorrow is the last day to donate to fund the publication of this landmark debate. Alex Epstein has requested $35,000 and has gotten about $19,000. If you value his message, please give what you can. (The third link in the post above.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Debate is being broadcasted live in less than two hours for anyone who wants to check it out: Starts 4PM PST / 7PM EST www.fossilfueldebate.com Edited November 5, 2012 by choo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joojie Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) I wish I could watch it, but it is almost midnight here in the UK. Anyone have any idea wether it will be avalible to watch after? Edited November 5, 2012 by joojie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Sorry you can't catch it! Should be available by next week the latest... I'll post the link once it's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 windrose on livestream.com. Broadcast Live Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo Posted November 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 For anyone who missed the debate, you can watch it here: Also lots of hilarious/interesting discussion on both of these pages McKibben supporter discussionAlex Epstein supporter discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherFall Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The McKibben supporter discussion leads with this gem: [M]y daughter and I were outraged that Epstein is capable of taking such a humanistic, anthropocentric position on the issues regarding the health of our planet. Nothing could better demonstrate Epstein’s complete lack of a biocentric viewpoint[...] This woman and her daughter are outraged because Epstein is thinking about humanity, while their value-systems dictate that we sacrafice humans to Gaia. I wish other environmentalists were as willing as this woman to display their premises. It would make Epstein's job much easier. Notice that Epstein tried to give McKibben an opportunity to reject this position when he asked McKibben to support Nuclear. McKibben dodged by claiming it was more expensive than wind and solar. Epstein was too kind; I think next time he should bait the McKibben types into affirming the position, rather than rejecting it. Once an audience knows your opponent doesn't care about people, the rest is a cake-walk. softwareNerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) The McKibben supporter discussion leads with this gem: This woman and her daughter are outraged because Epstein is thinking about humanity, while their value-systems dictate that we sacrafice humans to Gaia. I wish other environmentalists were as willing as this woman to display their premises. It would make Epstein's job much easier. Notice that Epstein tried to give McKibben an opportunity to reject this position when he asked McKibben to support Nuclear. McKibben dodged by claiming it was more expensive than wind and solar. Epstein was too kind; I think next time he should bait the McKibben types into affirming the position, rather than rejecting it. Once an audience knows your opponent doesn't care about people, the rest is a cake-walk. is it necessarily an is /or thing Edited November 8, 2012 by Mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherFall Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think so, but honestly McKibben may be too smart to fall for that trap. Sooner or later Epstein is going to debate someone who is excited about the "biocentric" ethical framework. I put that in scare quotes because Objectivism and any form of humanistic/anthropocentric ethics are biocentric. Perhaps "anthrophobic" is a better way to describe the woman's position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherFall Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 A better word may be biomecentric. The sub-position within biomecentrism that says we should have a static climate, ocean salinity and biodiversity might be called the biomestatic position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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