thenelli01 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 That's pure rationalism. How do rights exist in reality here on Earth in a society with lots and lots of people without a government to protect them? Every man by his nature has rights--the same rights. Nobody is arguing with that. Stop building straw men. Just because you are entitled to have rights does not magically make them happen to you 100% of the time every place on Earth. There's this thing called "crime", for starters. Governments are not made by God and thus are fallible and It is the government's job to protect those rights. It is not always successful in doing so, no matter what. It is rational, therefore, that we has mortal men seek to minimize the violations of rights which occur, which may, paradoxically, mean occasionally, technically violating those rights in minute ways e.g. making people register their weapons, precluding them from own military weapons, and so forth. Pretending that there's a special place in the clouds where there is no crime and rights are never violated is not compatible with Objectivism or logic. Huh, we have to violate rights to protect rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grames Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 The police. Minutes away when seconds count. It is not the job of the government to protect peoples rights, but to retaliate after the rights are violated. The only protection is the psychological intimidation an effective justice system can evoke in the few who both plot their crimes and judge they can't get away with them. Deterrence is a 'soft' protection. FeatherFall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherFall Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Crow, I'm really not going to discuss this further with you until you concede that a proper government doesn't try to protect some people's rights by violating other people's rights. Edited February 7, 2013 by FeatherFall spelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEpistemologist Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Crow, I'm really not going to discuss this further with you until you concede that a proper government doesn't try to protect some people's rights by violating other people's rights. And I guess there's no point in discussing anything with somebody who believes in a magic government who can protect every citizen's rights 100% of the time, forever, in which there is no crime and no human beings possessing volition. (I guess a "perfect" government does not have courts either, right? Since there's no crime, why would there be courts?). Pure. Rationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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