jedymastyr Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 You can't reason someone out of an idea they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. Wow...I really like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 You can't reason someone out of an idea they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. I certainly hope not. Because if that's true, there are a whole lot of people over at the ARI who are wasting their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfarmer Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 That is not what I was trying to say. If that's not what you're trying to say, then why don't you explain it? There's obviously at least two people who didn't understand it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I certainly hope not. Because if that's true, there are a whole lot of people over at the ARI who are wasting their time. The people at ARI are appealing to people who reason themselves into their ideas and offering them even more good ideas (ours!) to think about. Trying to convert irrational people has much too low a rate of return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedymastyr Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 If that's not what you're trying to say, then why don't you explain it? There's obviously at least two people who didn't understand it... I think it's clear enough that anyone reading it should be able to understand. If there is some confusion with what I said, I would be willing to answer specific questions. I will explain why I disagree with your attempt to paraphrase what I said: What jedymaster was trying to say is that a scientist is no more qualified to make a statement about philosophy than a philosopher about science. There may be exceptions but, for the most part, a specialist must stick to his own field. This seems to imply that philosophy and science are two completely separate fields--I stated that they were hierarchically related. Specifically, I said that philosophy is more fundamental than science in a hierarchical chain. As a result, it is perfectly reasonable for a philosopher to comment on a scientific statement if it contradicts a valid philosophical principle (or to verify that it is philosophically sound). What you said, at least how I read it, makes it appear that philosophy and science are unrelated--perhaps even that only specialists should talk about them. It makes it sound as if the two fields do not need to be properly integrated (compartmentalization) and ignores the hierarchy relating them. I didn't make any of these assertions (or allusions to them) in my original post, so I just wanted to make it clear that I didn't agree with your paraphrase. Please don't misunderstand me by taking my comments here to be hostile. I'm not accusing you of compartmentalization or intentionally misrepresenting what I wrote. I am just trying to explain why I disagree with your paraphrase so my point doesn't get confused or distorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfarmer Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 jedymaster, OK, that makes sense when you explain it. I wasn't accusing you of being hostile. It was just frustrating when you posted a simple, "I don't agree" without a qualifier. Now that you explain it that way, I agree totally but I don't think your previous post completely communicated all of those ideas. I can see, though, where I wasn't completely clear, too. I concede to your explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedymastyr Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 jedymaster, [...] Sorry for not elaborating earlier as I probably should have. I'm glad we're on the same page now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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