tadmjones Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Lots of polls ask people which side they are on. How many ask why? I've decided to be convinced that Biden and Harris are/were the most popular public choice for their respective offices, all the rational people say that. Edited May 7 by tadmjones deleted falsehood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 There are reasons why someone might win without being most popular, such as being everyone's second choice, or being perceived as having the best chance to beat the main opponent. This applies to both popular choice and rivals dropping out. I don't know how many people, if any, claim Harris was the most popular choice. But she was certainly Biden's choice, for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadmjones Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Biden had the most votes ever, Trump had the second most votes ever, Biden was the more popular choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 You moved the goalposts,, changing "most" to "more". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadmjones Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: You moved the goalposts,, changing "most" to "more". In a two man race the more is the most, but yeah my bad. Biden got the most popular votes ever. Biden , by vote count was more popular, than Obama. Edited May 8 by tadmjones added tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necrovore Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 This is not a court ruling but it at least is a little closer to the court rulings than what I have found in previous recent searches. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/supreme-courts-decision-not-hear-elections-cases-could-have-serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 According to Thomas, the country was “fortunate that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to change the receipt deadline for mail-in ballots does not appear to have changed the outcome in any federal election. … But we may not be so lucky next time.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 On 5/2/2023 at 2:05 PM, necrovore said: Most of the court cases brought by Trump failed because of judges refusing to look at the evidence on the grounds that it would be "catastrophic" for them to overturn an election -- on any basis. Did the judges refuse to try the cases at all, or did they merely refuse to grant preliminary injunctions? What exactly did they say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necrovore Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Found some interesting articles via Zero Hedge. (Zero Hedge is an aggregator of news and opinion from many other sources.) I think these first two articles go together: (1) what happened to the "red wave" in 2022? Basically the Democrats were able to mobilize "unlikely voters" who were ignored in the polls because of being unlikely, but this was mostly done only in certain states: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mystery-midterm-what-happened-red-wave (2) how ERIC and CEIR are being used to "get out the vote" but only for Democrats: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/voter-registration-machine-flipping-states-blue These go together because the second may be the mechanism by which the first is accomplished. Also I found an article about voter fraud in Wisconsin: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/150000-votes-2020-election-not-tied-valid-address-wisconsin-election-watchdog. Curious that the evidence should "disappear" like it has. (Note that due to a possible bug concerning links, I don't think I can edit this post if it is wrong...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boydstun Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, necrovore said: . . . 2022? . . . Perhaps the reactionary outlawing of abortion and bootlicking the modern witchdoctors by Republican candidates had something to do with it. Trump blamed failure of anti-abortionists to show up to vote.* And he blamed their boosting of "extreme" anti-abortion measures at the State level for backlash additional to the overthrow of Roe. It is time (2024), as ever, to vote against any anti-abortionist candidates; at least don't vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necrovore Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, Boydstun said: Perhaps the reactionary outlawing of abortion and bootlicking the modern witchdoctors by Republican candidates had something to do with it. Trump blamed failure of anti-abortionists to show up to vote.* And he blamed their boosting of "extreme" anti-abortion measures at the State level for backlash additional to the overthrow of Roe. It is time (2024), as ever, to vote against any anti-abortionist candidates; at least don't vote for them. The article itself has something to say about that: Quote The problem is that the highly publicized Dobbs decision was handed down in late June and a draft of the decision had been leaked about seven weeks earlier, in the first week of May. The controversy was in full fury more than five months before Election Day and several months before voting in states offering early voting options. Any effect the abortion issue had on vote choices or turnout decisions of potential voters had more than enough time to be reflected in polling and election expectations well before Election Day or early voting. As such, like the many other existing stable conditions of the election, it does not explain the November surprise. That being said, I do think the abortion issue is a giant footgun for the Republicans, and there have been articles to the effect that Republicans would get more support from the general public by dropping the issue. It will be disappointing, and perhaps even alarming, if 2024 shapes up to be a choice between two dictators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boydstun Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, necrovore said: . . . That being said, I do think the abortion issue is a giant footgun for the Republicans, and there have been articles to the effect that Republicans would get more support from the general public by dropping the issue. It will be disappointing, and perhaps even alarming, if 2024 shapes up to be a choice between two dictators. As I recall across my lifetime, the candidates of the two parties spent most of their political campaigns sloganeering that the reason to voted for them was that they were not the other guy. The Democrats this time will surely be keeping the abortion issue salient, which is not a puffed-up issue, like which public restroom to go to, but a real one, coming down to metaphysics and theory of individual rights. Close to 20% of we voters, on either side, have taken it for our decisive issue in any Presidential or Senate race for decades, even when the Parties had not emphasized it in the general election. I surely wish one of the Presidential nominees would make a balanced federal budget their top issue in the 2024 campaign (and not in some plan for a mythical ten years down the road that never comes). We can be pretty sure, however, that most of the campaign money in the general election will be spent on smearing the opponent, and mostly with simply name-calling. It was not so long ago that there was intelligence on both sides in at least the Presidential television debates. In that, I think a really good debate would be between Nikki Haley and Elizabeth Warren. Wrong as either is, they are intelligent and good debaters. However much the leading candidates for the nominations at present would like to take steps towards dictatorship (or however much they simply turn a blind eye to the circumstance that their policies contribute to that drift), they and most of their followers qualify only as proto-fascist, not themselves would-be dictators. Proto-fascist was the term Ayn Rand applied to the George Wallace campaign for President in 1968, for specific reasons she spelled out, and it is the term right for the attitude and some positions bannered by Mr. Trump and some factions among his supporters. On the Democrats' Left side of American politics in recent years, their idea of socialist ideals (mostly mere slogans in the case of the Representative from Queens) is enormously scaled back from what left-socialism in America meant in the first seven decades of the last century. Today's watered-down "let's help suffering people and the environment and feel virtuous" (with other people's money, and truly not virtuous even if the money had been their own) is hardly the old American democratic socialism.* Edited May 23 by Boydstun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 On 5/22/2023 at 6:09 PM, necrovore said: (1) what happened to the "red wave" in 2022? Basically the Democrats were able to mobilize "unlikely voters" who were ignored in the polls because of being unlikely, but this was mostly done only in certain states: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mystery-midterm-what-happened-red-wave (2) how ERIC and CEIR are being used to "get out the vote" but only for Democrats: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/voter-registration-machine-flipping-states-blue These go together because the second may be the mechanism by which the first is accomplished. It is the Republicans' responsibility to get out the Republican vote. If the Democrats did a better job, this does not make a stolen election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necrovore Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 14 hours ago, Doug Morris said: It is the Republicans' responsibility to get out the Republican vote. If the Democrats did a better job, this does not make a stolen election. The Democrats are doing it dishonestly in this case. They represent ERIC to the states as non-partisan, but that isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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