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...ok so there was widespread fraud, which means the electors probably shouldn't/wouldn't have been certified, but darn too late , we will do better next time, but lets keep saying big lie cuz ..

https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-bombshell-rino-speaker-robin-vos-admits-widespread-fraud-occurred-in-wisconsin-but-says-legislature-cannot-decertify/

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2 hours ago, tadmjones said:

...ok so there was widespread fraud, which means the electors probably shouldn't/wouldn't have been certified, but darn too late , we will do better next time, but lets keep saying big lie cuz ..

https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-bombshell-rino-speaker-robin-vos-admits-widespread-fraud-occurred-in-wisconsin-but-says-legislature-cannot-decertify/

Why did it take so long for this to come out?

How much difference did it make?

How different is it from get-out-the-vote efforts traditionally practiced by both parties?

How is it grounds for decertification?

 

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2 hours ago, Doug Morris said:

Why did it take so long for this to come out?

How much difference did it make?

How different is it from get-out-the-vote efforts traditionally practiced by both parties?

How is it grounds for decertification?

 

Took long for what to come out? It/they were from day one baseless lies, debunked at every turn, claims that never could never pass legal scrutiny , only duped people gave them the time of day.

One article mentions over 40k votes from 'senior living' facilities that reported 100 % voter participation. I think the state margin was around 22k ? Doesn't mean anything on the face , but worth checking, no ?

Traditional 'get out the vote' practices usually involved pocket money distribution to voters and influential people in the communities , ie literally handing out $10-&20 to people and driving them to the polls. These activities were focused on getting millions of dollars into the hands of the officials in charge of the tabulation, and extra-legal rule changes.

Grounds for decertification ? not sure, but issues worthy of discussion beyond "it's baseless!" It's all one big lie !"

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59 minutes ago, Doug Morris said:

What, exactly, is the process by which innocent people were railroaded?  Was there perjury?

 

Are there not people being held waiting trial for offenses that if found guilty would carry sentences less than the time they’ve been held? If true ,that’s railroading, no?

Can a charging agent(ency)commit perjury by ‘overcharging’?

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19 minutes ago, Doug Morris said:

Can you give examples?  What is the usual procedure in such cases?

 

Regardless of a specific case, but in principle , the ideas of due process and the right to a speed trial should guard against any specific case the result of which would violate these principles , no?

So if any of the specific cases involving J6 ers is shown to violate these principles , the actions of the government would be unconstitutional, and other than an excuse of quasi-malicious incompetence the unprincipled actions of the state could only be explained as political oppression. Especially when the circumstance of the charges stem from individual action ‘against’ the state.

I don’t have a specific example right here, but given coverage of the situation , it seems safe to assume there has been at the veryleast some rather extreme prosecutorial over-reach. A railroading, if you prefer.

You do not share this impression ? If not ,on what basis do you disagree? 
 

Who is Ray Epps?

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2 hours ago, tadmjones said:

Regardless of a specific case, but in principle , the ideas of due process and the right to a speed trial should guard against any specific case the result of which would violate these principles , no?

I don't want to nit pick but the right to a speedy trial is violated so frequently that it is the norm. But yes, it is a violation of our rights.

Are you objecting to the "McCarthy-like" congressional show or actual legal action within courts? Clearly the congressional hearings and the media is overblowing some of the activities. Nevertheless, this was a potential overthrow of a government that is on the whole very functional, meaning a system that can right itself peacefully. What will happen after the hearings? I suspect, like an impeachment, the jury is the public and the way it will vote.

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Capitol Breach Investigation Resource Page

"In the 18 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 850 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 260 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.  Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

            A complaint is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Seditious Conspiracy

Obstruction of Proceedings

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7 hours ago, tadmjones said:

How was it a potential overthrow of a government ? By whom ?

Once violence starts, any concentration power can use force and justify it as retaliation. It could be a political leader supported by some armed group as we have seen many times in history.

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15 hours ago, tadmjones said:

You do not share this impression ? If not ,on what basis do you disagree? 

A large number of people trespassed at the Capitol.  Many were quite violent, seriously injuring and in some cases killing law enforcement officers, doing significant property damage, and attempting an attack on elected officials, making them fear for their lives, for the purpose of sabotaging a crucial part of our system of democratic elections and peaceful transfer of power.  These are very serious crimes which require a very serious response.  

13 hours ago, tadmjones said:

How was it a potential overthrow of a government ? By whom ?

If the insurrectionists had succeeded in their objective, they would have prevented the constitutional process of peaceful transfer of power and instead reinstalled Trump as President by force.  This would have overthrown the Constitution and changed our system to one in which force is used to determine who gets power and to keep them in power.

 

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1 hour ago, Doug Morris said:

A large number of people trespassed at the Capitol.  Many were quite violent, seriously injuring and in some cases killing law enforcement officers, doing significant property damage, and attempting an attack on elected officials, making them fear for their lives, for the purpose of sabotaging a crucial part of our system of democratic elections and peaceful transfer of power.  These are very serious crimes which require a very serious response.  

If the insurrectionists had succeeded in their objective, they would have prevented the constitutional process of peaceful transfer of power and instead reinstalled Trump as President by force.  This would have overthrown the Constitution and changed our system to one in which force is used to determine who gets power and to keep them in power.

 

No law enforcement officers were killed , one woman protester was shot to death by law enforcement , and one woman was trampled and died , most likely, as the result of not being given proper medical treatment at the scene.

Where do you get the idea that law enforcement officers were killed , it is patently untrue , how do you come by this impression ?

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One officer died of a stroke that was a result of a pre-existing condition, he was the officer who lain in state at the Rotunda , what bullshit that was.

And several others committed suicide , there may have been a cardiac event or two.

It is more than a stretch to say these deaths are/were the result of violence on the part of attackers, it's propaganda/gaslighting  bullshit .

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2 hours ago, tadmjones said:

And several others committed suicide , there may have been a cardiac event or two.

It happened yesterday too. It's a very common thing.

A woman was shot but not killed too. She died soon after being shot.

And don't forget the Black Lives Matters events, they did the same thing so it should be okay.

Lots of stretching going on  … on every side of the issue.

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