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In July 1986, I was with my first life-partner Jerry (d. 1990) sitting in the bleachers that had been set up in Manhattan along the Hudson. We were watching the Tall Ships sailing by. In the evening,

Please tell me that's a joke, that you're not one of those nut jobs. 

HD, I looked up "doxxing" - hadn't heard that term before. My name is Stephen Craig Boydstun. I've never used any other name on the internet. (I came to be shown as another name -Guyau- on the th

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On 6/9/2021 at 5:19 PM, Eiuol said:

QAnon isn't unified enough to say that there is any definite belief system. There are a wide variety of nut job thoughts out there about Trump getting into the presidency again or reasserting his supposedly legitimate claim before 2024.

 

9 hours ago, Devil's Advocate said:

Darkwing Donald is channeling a political force that is only united by anger, and whose only agenda is payback.  In most respects, I believe he is simply the patsy of the growing mob he represents; a form of puppet king.  If elected, and I give them better than 50/50 odds of getting there, America will become a darker place.

Are QAnon belief systems so wide as to permit such a characterization of "Darkwing Donald"?

On 6/9/2021 at 5:19 PM, Eiuol said:

But there is something very fishy going on.

Of that we are in perfect accord.

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On 6/9/2021 at 9:17 PM, Harrison Danneskjold said:

 

I know this is a bit of a ramble but I guess I'm mainly wondering what you're afraid of.

 

PS:  Maybe we should actually start a thread to discuss exactly what QAnon is and how much sense it makes.  Lord knows there's been plenty of dissection of leftist ideas on this forum.

 

PPS:  By the way, QAnon supporters actually don't talk about the "restoration" or "reinstatement" of Trump - they believe there's a "dual presidency" right now because they never accepted that his reign ever ended.

What do I know of "QAnon" and right wing conspiracies? Little, thankfully. Only some words and rhetoric.

What I do know from long familiarity is that that "Fascist right" has been the go-to cause celebre of the MSM and others, in order to by sleight of hand, through misdirection, cover the tracks of the resurgent Socialist Left. 

And so far, thankfully, the right aren't actively responding, to the disappointment of many, I believe. Anyone can predict the, er, "active" response if the political shoe were on the other foot, mind you.

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20 hours ago, Eiuol said:

... No one is controlling that military except for the general...

Agreed, and there is no benevolent form of a military dictatorship.

However, a charismatic general with popular support might act well as a caretaker monopoly on the government's use of force until a voluntary force of Peacekeepers (military, police, 1st responders) could be formed, effectively becoming an un-elected or appointed 4th branch of government in charge of securing America's "blessings of liberty".

The actual "blessings" would be narrowly defined and limited to an individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness within the social context of America.

The President and Congress maintain political authority over "the general welfare" of Americans. The Supreme Court has legal authority over the Constitution AND the Peacekeepers, and there's a provision to disobey orders that are contrary to the security of American Individuals, A.I.s, perhaps not unlike the first law Asimov applied to his A.I.s.

Private security is allowed to operate within accordance to "the blessings of liberty", and held accountable when it does not...

... and please bear in mind, this is a discussion of political philosophy involving the objective use of force, not a call to arms.

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On 6/5/2021 at 3:49 PM, Devil's Advocate said:

For better or worse, the Former (to be restored) President is arguably the most influential political figure of the 21st Century, perhaps best evident in his catch phrases as adopted by current world leaders to maintain influence over their electorates. 

Apparently, it's not just the catch-phrases. (Or it just makes for good headliners.)

Netanyahu's Trump-style campaign to stop Israel's transfer of power

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2 hours ago, Devil's Advocate said:

.. and please bear in mind, this is a discussion of political philosophy involving the objective use of force, not a call to arms.

You still won't explain what January 6 has anything to do with Donald Trump being restored to the presidency. You don't need to call people's arms to be a sideline supporter of insurrection. It's annoying that you won't just say what you think.

2 hours ago, Devil's Advocate said:

effectively becoming an un-elected or appointed 4th branch of government

Congratulations, that's a military dictatorship. If the person is appointed, who were they appointed by? There is no means to do this in the US government. And if such a thing could be done, this person wouldn't be the charismatic general that we were talking about. Shrugging off the defense of liberty means ceasing the operations of government.

2 hours ago, Devil's Advocate said:

The Supreme Court has legal authority over the Constitution AND the Peacekeepers

oh man, the way you worded this is just so bizarre I'm even more convinced that you are a fringe nut job.

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1 hour ago, dream_weaver said:

Apparently, it's not just the catch-phrases. (Or it just makes for good headliners.)

Netanyahu's Trump-style campaign to stop Israel's transfer of power

It's all about the headlines that generate the ratings, that create and sustain a following that wins elections.  The Republican Purge is real, and the midterms will determine its success as political strategy in American politics.  An extended family member of mine recently noted, "Impeachment is just street cred for him," and that pretty much sums up my opinion of The Donald and his Dark Wing.

 

39 minutes ago, Eiuol said:

You still won't explain what January 6 has anything to do with Donald Trump being restored to the presidency. You don't need to call people's arms to be a sideline supporter of insurrection. It's annoying that you won't just say what you think.

The Donald's 1st term election was unimaginable, until it happened. Former republican opposition candidates undermining the election in Congress on his behalf was unimaginable, until it happened. January 6th was unimaginable, until it happened... and the Dumbercrats continue to campaign as though if only everyone understood what a bastard the Former President is, no one would vote for him, while those who vote for him don't care because, "He's our Bastard!"

The Former President will be restored to office as the party default if the current political trend doesn't produce someone who can beat his political base.  Do you see that coming?  Last go round I gave him and his following 50/50 odds, and this time I think if the Republicans make gains over the Democrats in the midterms, it's their presidential election to lose, if narrowly.

Lady Liberty was raped on January 6th. That's what I think.

 

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Still don't see what January 6 has to do with Trump being restored to anything.

By the way, saying the Supreme Court has legal authority over the peacekeepers doesn't make sense, what you described as peacekeepers aren't even in the Constitution except mention of the military. Police are not mentioned in the Constitution nor first responders. The president has power and legal authority over the military as the commander-in-chief, so it sounds more like you are talking about some weird constitutional theory.

 

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4 hours ago, Eiuol said:
6 hours ago, Devil's Advocate said:

The Supreme Court has legal authority over the Constitution AND the Peacekeepers

oh man, the way you worded this is just so bizarre I'm even more convinced that you are a fringe nut job.

What would be more bizarre is to note how the house and senate have ceded much political authority to the presidents and to their executive orders, while only a court order seems sufficient to put an executive-order made "law" into check or overturn an errent law once it is discovered, an example recently enacted out on the state level in Michigan.

The peacekeepers (first responders seems a bit ambiguous when conjoined with police and military) answer to their respective executive branches. The executive branch upholds the laws passed by the legislative branches, and if need be, sign into law. The supreme court is to consider the legal merits of the laws in the light of the constitution. 

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12 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

What would be more bizarre is to note how the house and senate have ceded much political authority to the presidents and to their executive orders, while only a court order seems sufficient to put an executive-order made "law" into check or overturn an errent law once it is discovered, an example recently enacted out on the state level in Michigan.

 

12 hours ago, Eiuol said:

... The president has power and legal authority over the military as the commander-in-chief, so it sounds more like you are talking about some weird constitutional theory.

Given the Former President used his political authority to promote insurrection, given congressional leaders used their political authority to promote sedition, and given the current President is using his political authority to proclaim a right to healthcare, the Judiciary in its existing role as the final arbiter of constitutional law, is better suited to command (by court order) the appropriate use of government's monopoly on force.  It would essentially be a check on the capricious nature of a political call to arms.

 

 

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