DarkWaters Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) I oppose all religion, but there are of course degrees of good and bad within the different religious views. In my estimation, this "moderate Islam is the solution" campaign of Pipes is a huge mistake because it is evading the true problem, and thereby prescribing a solution(s) which will not work. You might have a point to make here. Nevertheless, please provide examples of what you think Daniel Pipes means in practice when he says that moderate Islam is the solution. Right now it looks as though Rudy is running 3rd in Florida. I'm afraid that if he doesn't either win or make a very strong 2nd place showing, he's finished. Whoever came up with his big state strategy should be fired. Not only should this guy (or these guys) be fired, their career in coordinating a campaign should be over. According to the polling trends from realclearpolitics dot com, Rudy Giuliani was in contention if not a shoe-in for the states of New Hampshire, Nevada, Michigan, Florida and California as of one year ago. Somebody really screwed up royally by skipping the first several states. I agree with Moose, his campaign might as well be over. Edited January 21, 2008 by DarkWaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) As little as 2 months ago, he was leading the national-level polls. There's no reason why someone with that status should have gone this many primaries without placing in the top 3. As a result of his poor campaign, I will be left without someone to vote for. Whatever his shortcomings (and there are many), I can't envision myself voting for any other candidates. I might actually vote for Obama, if it means keeping Huckabee out of the White House. But unless that's the match-up, I'll probably be staying home. Edited January 21, 2008 by Moose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 How, then, do you propose to rid the world of Islam? I don't. You might have a point to make here. Nevertheless, please provide examples of what you think Daniel Pipes means in practice when he says that moderate Islam is the solution. This is likely where the views of you and I would diverge, in regards to what foreign policies America should have. I'm sure you have seen some of my earlier posts on this subject, I think I sparred with you in another thread for a bit. Nevertheless, I shall post a few things about what Pipes feels Western policy should be. Pipes wrote the following article about moderate Islam, and outlines what he means in practice I think. He talks about a study which attributes the rise in radical Islam to the Saudi Arabian government. This is completely wrong and cannot be farther from the truth. The rise in radical Islam is provoked by its own texts, the Koran and the hadiths. Because he fails to see this, he believes that some sort of coalition with more moderate Islamic governments, such as those that exist in Southeast Asia and the Balkans, would furthur the cause against radical Islam. Such an attempt to "de-emphasize the Middle East" (as the article says) would never work. Islam was founded by Arab people on the Arabian peninsula; Mecca and Medina are the holy cities of the religion. He seems to call for the Western world to try to "give priority to locating, meeting with, funding, forwarding, empowering, and celebrating" these more moderate Islamic states. In my opinion this is terrible policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Pipes wrote the following article about moderate Islam, and outlines what he means in practice I think. He talks about a study which attributes the rise in radical Islam to the Saudi Arabian government. This is completely wrong and cannot be farther from the truth. The rise in radical Islam is provoked by its own texts, the Koran and the hadiths. Because he fails to see this, he believes that some sort of coalition with more moderate Islamic governments, such as those that exist in Southeast Asia and the Balkans, would furthur the cause against radical Islam. Such an attempt to "de-emphasize the Middle East" (as the article says) would never work. Islam was founded by Arab people on the Arabian peninsula; Mecca and Medina are the holy cities of the religion. He seems to call for the Western world to try to "give priority to locating, meeting with, funding, forwarding, empowering, and celebrating" these more moderate Islamic states. In my opinion this is terrible policy. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what is the correct policy in your view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Harry Binswanger endorses Rudy Giuliani According to the January 17th post on HBL, Objectivist intellectual Harry Binswanger has endorsed Rudy Giuliani. I am not an HBL subscriber, but I am curious as to his reasons. Unfortunately, Giuliani's campaign seems to be grinding to a halt. Edited January 27, 2008 by DarkWaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Yes, unfortunately Rudy is now stuck in a distant 3rd place in Florida. The national media have already declared his candidacy dead. Not that the punditocracy can't be wrong, but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy is gone before the end of next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Guiliani ran a garbage campaign. I've never seen a more ineffectual "strategy" then his decision to focus on Florida. In a few hours the official results will come in and Rudy's back to security consulting. This guy is trash, a typical lifetime "career" politician that one would expect to find in Soviet Russia. But I suppose these empty suit career public servants are now becoming the norm here in America; just look at McCain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yep. Plans to drop out tomorrow and endorse John McCain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athena glaukopis Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yep. Plans to drop out tomorrow and endorse John McCain. Link via Drudge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) [Rudy Giuliani] is [...] a typical lifetime "career" politician that one would expect to find in Soviet Russia. This is just hyperbole that overlooks his entrepreneurial ventures. See here and here. One of which you have already acknowledged. Edited January 30, 2008 by DarkWaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This is just hyperbole that overlooks his entrepreneurial ventures. See here and here. One of which you have already acknowledged. I always admire entrepreneurs, but Guiliani seems to be an entrepreneur who is successful because of the fact he was a career politician. Both of the links you provide show the founding dates to be after Guiliani was mayor. Also the article states: "many of the managing partners and executives of Giuliani Partners are former New York City officials, counsels, emergency services leaders, etc. from Giuliani's time as mayor." From the Mafia to Milken & Boesky to 9/11, Guiliani has always capitalized on the pressing issues of the moment, taking whatever side is popular in order to vault himself to the next rung of public leadership while staging huge dramatic press conferences. As a side note, I do like his sense of humor, I think he's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I always admire entrepreneurs, but Guiliani seems to be an entrepreneur who is successful because of the fact he was a career politician. Fair enough. But we keep saying government should limit itself to protecting individual rights. In practice government often fails at this essential task. Few places failed more egregiously than New York City. Giuliani changed that by establishing a novel system of law enforcement. Career politician or not, he comes closer to doing what government should be doing. From the Mafia to Milken & Boesky to 9/11, Guiliani has always capitalized on the pressing issues of the moment, taking whatever side is popular in order to vault himself to the next rung of public leadership while staging huge dramatic press conferences. I deplore his earlier career. Hwever, I don't think he used 9/11 to increase hsi popularity. He handled that attack, as far as he could, well enough. He's entitled to point out his successes and even to be proud of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Harry Binswanger endorses Rudy Giuliani According to the January 17th post on HBL, Objectivist intellectual Harry Binswanger has endorsed Rudy Giuliani. I am not an HBL subscriber, but I am curious as to his reasons. Unfortunately, Giuliani's campaign seems to be grinding to a halt. Wow, Harry really knows how to pick em! We should hold of and see who he picks to win the Superbowl on Sunday! Seriously, if McCain gets the nomination I bet Guiliana is going to get the Vice-President nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted January 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 With Giuliani's campaign ended, this is probably not important. Still, for anyone still interested, this NYTime/MS-NBC article paints a picture of Giuliani as a man who was willing to wield the power of his office ruthlessly. It appears consistent with his notoriety of being the first to misuse the RICO racketeering statutes to prosecute businessmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Seriously, if McCain gets the nomination I bet Guiliana is going to get the Vice-President nomination. I think McCain might ask Hucklberry in a pathetic attempt to throw a bone to a segment of the religious-conservative wing of the party. Now that would be a ticket, McCain and Huckster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 [Giuliani] has always capitalized on the pressing issues of the moment, taking whatever side is popular in order to vault himself to the next rung of public leadership while staging huge dramatic press conferences. This is certainly possible as Rudy has demonstrated to be willing to compromise on his values to court Republican base votes. As someone who grew up in a New Jersey suburb of New York City, I was under the impression that the Giuliani administrations cleanup of New York City was quite the achievement. I wish that an Atlanta mayor would do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) Guiliani ran a garbage campaign. I've never seen a more ineffectual "strategy" then his decision to focus on Florida. In a few hours the official results will come in and Rudy's back to security consulting. This guy is trash, a typical lifetime "career" politician that one would expect to find in Soviet Russia. But I suppose these empty suit career public servants are now becoming the norm here in America; just look at McCain. This guy is not trash. he is just not a good politician. he does not suck asses. he is not slick and smooth like a Toohey, he is streight forward and ruthless like a Roark. America is not ready for a John Galt. America votes for the Tooheys. if only more Americans were Objectivists,giuliani would still be front-running Edit: I think now that my signiture is most appropriate Edited January 31, 2008 by Marty McFly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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