DarkWaters Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 In recent news, Yemen has released one of the leaders behind the bombing of the USS Cole, Jamal al-Badawi. This Islamic terror attack resulted in the death of 17 U.S. servicemen. I greatly appreciate how Rudy Giuliani promptly called for the cancellation of $20 million in U.S. aid to Yemen. I have no idea if this is just a paltry amount of the total aid slated to be given to the government of Yemen. If it is, then my appreciation will be deflated. Nevertheless, until I learn otherwise, I am happy to see that at least one of the major candidates did not hesitate to express outrage over the release of this murderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted November 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Guiliani has been endorsed by Pat Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 In the interest of full disclosure, it should be mentioned that Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is based on his belief that we need a president who will stand up to Islamic radicalism...as far as I know, it had nothing to do with any religious stances by Rudy. As such, I don't think this should affect anyone's opinion of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted November 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Yes. I didn't mean my post to imply Rudy had found religion, but rather that a significant religious leader was finding him palatable. It would be interesting to read Robertson's mind. Does he think that -- given the GOP field, and given the DEM congress -- Rudy will make Christian-friendly SCOTUS appointments, and that's about as good as any of the other GOP guys will do? Or, does he figure that if the Christians turn against Rudy, and Rudy wins the nomination anyway, the Christian-clout will be shown to be diminished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert J. Kolker Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 In the interest of full disclosure, it should be mentioned that Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is based on his belief that we need a president who will stand up to Islamic radicalism...as far as I know, it had nothing to do with any religious stances by Rudy. As such, I don't think this should affect anyone's opinion of him. Under other circumstances, Rudy's stand on abortion would make him persona non grata in the land of Fundies. Both Pat Robertson and I agree (gasp!) that it is more important to kill Islamic extremists than to argue about abortion. Rudy is just the man for the job. Islamic Extremists came to -his- town to do evil and I am sure he has not nor will he ever forgive it. Bob Kolker In the interest of full disclosure, it should be mentioned that Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is based on his belief that we need a president who will stand up to Islamic radicalism...as far as I know, it had nothing to do with any religious stances by Rudy. As such, I don't think this should affect anyone's opinion of him. Under other circumstances, Rudy's stand on abortion would make him persona non grata in the land of Fundies. Both Pat Robertson and I agree (gasp!) that it is more important to kill Islamic extremists than to argue about abortion. Rudy is just the man for the job. Islamic Extremists came to -his- town to do evil and I am sure he has not nor will he ever forgive it. Bob Kolker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clawg Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 In the interest of full disclosure, it should be mentioned that Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is based on his belief that we need a president who will stand up to Islamic radicalism...as far as I know, it had nothing to do with any religious stances by Rudy. As such, I don't think this should affect anyone's opinion of him. The endorsement should not affect anyone's opinion, that Giuliani accepted the endorsement should. But it seems he's just after the votes from some end-of-the-world Christians that blame pornography and the lack of faith in God on 9/11 and see some sort of biblical battle in the war on terror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 And what would you have him do? Say, "no thanks, I don't want your votes?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clawg Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 And what would you have him do? Say, "no thanks, I don't want your votes?" I wouldn't say "His confidence in me means a lot. His experience and advice will be a great asset to me and my campaign." or "And I think he came away with a different impression of me, as well. We see the world, in many ways, the same way. Doesn't mean we agree on everything." In addition the votes are no "give-away present". Robertson said: "There is very little any politician can do about abortion without a major shift in the federal judiciary, Robertson said, and Giuliani has promised to appoint judges in the mold of Chief Justice John Roberts and Supreme Court Justices Samuel Alito and Antonin Scalia." (!) http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov07/0,4...vatives,00.html But if killing islamists is the main priority, Giuliani is the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 OK, this is nothing intelligent but its' a fun tidbit from history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHnsLdhWWcQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xare Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Rudy Guliani has been knighted by the Queen and thus should be barred from the Presidency. US CONSTITUTION: Article 1 section 9 No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State. He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family. It is against all of our Sovereign Rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaszloWalrus Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Rudy Guliani has been knighted by the Queen and thus should be barred from the Presidency. He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family. It is against all of our Sovereign Rights. Neither of these is true. Giuliani did NOT receive a knighthood. The award he received from the Queen is only honorary. Even if he did accept a knighthood, I fail to see how this makes him a "traitor." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOdden Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family. It is against all of our Sovereign Rights.That has the distinction of being the bizarrest and least rational argument against a presidential candidate that I have ever heard in my life. Try to ground your argument in something that has at least a smattering of relation to the purpose of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas51184 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 The post is racist as well. "He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family" Why does the queen's bloodline matter? She can't control what her ancestors did hundreds of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaszloWalrus Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family. It is against all of our Sovereign Rights. I would have responded to this as well, but I thought it was an absurd joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Rudy Guliani has been knighted by the Queen and thus should be barred from the Presidency. :::SNIP::: He is a Traitor for accepting a knighthood from a Holy Roman Emperor Bloodline Family. It is against all of our Sovereign Rights. If it saves you time, you have already advanced the argument that Rudy Giuliani's knighthood disqualifies him from the U.S. Presidency on this forum. Here was the response and here is your rejoinder back in October of 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 what's a "fraternity brother"? some kind of relligious thing? because I found this: ...Gene Hart, a fraternity brother, recalls a reunion dinner held at a restaurant in Manhattan around the time that Giuliani, then the U.S. attorney in New York, was prosecuting mob figures. Giuliani's bodyguards stood watch over a private room while the old fraternity brothers and their spouses dined. Hart's wife, Mary, found herself seated next to Giuliani and told him that she was a little nervous about being seated next to a man in need of protection. As Hart remembers, Giuliani answered casually that there was nothing to worry about: He received death threats all the time and, besides, if an attempt were made on his life, Mary would be okay. "Rudy said, 'If something happened, Mary, there would be two shots, both fatal, and I think I would probably fall straight forward and not on you,' " Hart recalls. ... eeeew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 For those of you who do not know, Daniel Pipes (analyst who served on multiple panels on Islamic Totalitarianism with Yaron Brook) is a Middle East adviser for Rudy Giuliani, e.g. see here. This is really cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 For those of you who do not know, Daniel Pipes (analyst who served on multiple panels on Islamic Totalitarianism with Yaron Brook) is a Middle East adviser for Rudy Giuliani, e.g. see here. This is really cool! While I certainly admire Pipes as a step in the right direction, I am adamantly opposed to his view that 'Islamic Totalitarianism' is the problem and that moderate Islam is the solution. The root problem is the religion of Islam, and there is no solution to Islamic Totalitarianism which includes Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWaters Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I just learned that David Gratzer, author of The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care, is also an adviser on the Rudy Giuliani campaign. David Gratzer's excellent book has been endorsed by both Milton Friedman and Paul Hsieh's group FIRM: Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine. It is a shame that Giuliani is doing horribly in the primaries. While I certainly admire Pipes as a step in the right direction, I am adamantly opposed to his view that 'Islamic Totalitarianism' is the problem and that moderate Islam is the solution. Religion itself is the true problem. However, as a political adviser, Daniel Pipes still seems to be pretty good, unless if there is more to his "moderate Islam is the solution" campaign that I am unaware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Christensen Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I was a Fred T. supporter, but not anymore. There is no doubt in my mind that Rudy is the best candidate for President of the USA. I hope that he wins Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Right now it looks as though Rudy is running 3rd in Florida. I'm afraid that if he doesn't either win or make a very strong 2nd place showing, he's finished. Whoever came up with his big state strategy should be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I guess I'm still holding out for Rudy.... maybe a Guiliani/Paul ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Giuliani is done. Having such a poor showing in this many early states is going to have a huge negative impact in the states where he actually focused his campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Religion itself is the true problem. However, as a political adviser, Daniel Pipes still seems to be pretty good, unless if there is more to his "moderate Islam is the solution" campaign that I am unaware of. I oppose all religion, but there are of course degrees of good and bad within the different religious views. In my estimation, this "moderate Islam is the solution" campaign of Pipes is a huge mistake because it is evading the true problem, and thereby prescribing a solution(s) which will not work. Either way, Guiliani's campaign is a failure and has very little chance. In my opinion, he is not an electable character in America today. Whether you like him or not, his personality just doesn't fly west of the Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 While I certainly admire Pipes as a step in the right direction, I am adamantly opposed to his view that 'Islamic Totalitarianism' is the problem and that moderate Islam is the solution. The root problem is the religion of Islam, and there is no solution to Islamic Totalitarianism which includes Islam. How, then, do you propose to rid the world of Islam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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