woschei Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 A Frankfurt court sentenced Armin Meiwes, a German convicted of killing another man and eating parts of the body, to life in prison today in a retrial of the so-called cannibal case. Meiwes, a computer technician, met victim Bernd Juergen Brandes through the Internet. Brandes, an engineer from Berlin, expressed his desire to die and be eaten by another person via e- mail, Meiwes had told the court in the earlier trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 A suicidal altruist, a cannibal, and a court of injustice. Herr Kant, thy kingdom has come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles2112 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 When does the movie come out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) A suicidal altruist, a cannibal, and a court of injustice. Herr Kant, thy kingdom has come. A similar verdict would have occurred in an American court, since assissted suicide isnt legal there either. On a sidenote, Ayn Rand apparently wasnt convinced that euthanasia should be legal, so she may have supported this. From here: "Euthanasia is more complex, because the life of another person is involved. If a man makes arrangements stating that he does not want to feel unbearable pain, and it can be proved that this was his desire, in principle I'd say it is his right and the doctor's right to perform euthanasia. But it would be difficult to put this into law, because of the safeguards needed to prevent unscrupulous doctors in cahoots with unscrupulous relatives from killing somebody who is not dying and in pain (...) I would not advocate euthanasia as a law."" - Ayn Rand Answers (page 16) (for the record, I strongly disagree with this) Edited May 11, 2006 by Hal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertz Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I think Rand is making a distinction between euthanasia and assisted suicide. She seems to be talking about 'mercy killing' in the absence of an explicit request by the patient to do so. I don't think it would be too hard to work this into law, given that many people draw up living wills and DNR orders every day, and these are legally interpreted as the desires of the incapacitated patient. -Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I think Rand is making a distinction between euthanasia and assisted suicide. She seems to be talking about 'mercy killing' in the absence of an explicit request by the patient to do so. I don't think it would be too hard to work this into law, given that many people draw up living wills and DNR orders every day, and these are legally interpreted as the desires of the incapacitated patient. What about incapacitated people without a DNR or a living will, when someone close to them claims they'd have wanted to die? That's where I see the difficulty. If the patient is conscious, he will tell you what his wishes are. No problem. Likewise there is no problem when there's a living will or a DNR. Otherwise, what is the right thing to do? I hesitate to bring up the Schiavo case, because it doesn't really apply. With that much of her brain destroyed, she could not be classified as being alive in any significant sense. Still, a livinig will in that case would have put an end to it many, many years ago. One possible solution, would be for people to confer on someone whose judgement they trust, power of attorney for medical decisions in specific cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertz Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 One possible solution, would be for people to confer on someone whose judgement they trust, power of attorney for medical decisions in specific cases. Which would be equivalent to a living will. Such POA would have to be bestowed by document, anyway, so there'd be some kind of documentation supporting the representative's decision to euthanize. As for a total lack of such kind of documentation, where a loved one with no legal right to control the medical treatment of the incapacitated patient claims the patient would have wanted to die, I think it's clear that euthanasia would not be any kind of legal or moral option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RationalBiker Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) expressed his desire to die and be eaten by another person via e- mail, How do you eat someone via email? That gives new meaning to the word "attachment". PS: I figured I'd better clarify that I was being slightly sarcastic... sick cop humor. Edited May 11, 2006 by RationalCop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Just another proof, that there's someone for everyone out there... and it's all just a search problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Which would be equivalent to a living will. More than that. There can be situations in which your life isn't in immediate danger, but you're unconscious. In such cases, your designated person would make the decision for you, rather than your spouse, parent, brother or third cousin. Such POA would have to be bestowed by document, anyway, so there'd be some kind of documentation supporting the representative's decision to euthanize.That would be best. As for a total lack of such kind of documentation, where a loved one with no legal right to control the medical treatment of the incapacitated patient claims the patient would have wanted to die, I think it's clear that euthanasia would not be any kind of legal or moral option. Except for cases of extensive and irreversible brain dammage, such as the Schiavo case, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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