Dick Morris predicts Hillary will be next president

[The Wrath]

http://www.dailypress.net/stories/articles...?articleID=4848

So we can all sleep easy, because that is the kiss of death for Hillary's campaign. I have yet to see him make a political prediction that turned out to be true.

[softwareNerd]

Depending on who the GOP puts up, I might be voting for her! It's a disgusting thought that turns my stomach!

[The Wrath]

I think the worst that the GOP could possibly offer for '08 is McCain. As much as I despise McCain, he is nowhere near as bad as Hillary. Yeah, his attacks on free speech are pretty bad.

However, I think Hillary would be very likely to be the liberal Richard Nixon. If she is elected, don't be surprised to see her use the CIA and the IRS to go after her political enemies. And Democrats are just as eager as McCain is to supress free speech. If they get Congress and the presidency, look to see them to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. They'll also try to use the FCC on Fox News.

[bobsponge]

So we can all sleep easy, because that is the kiss of death for Hillary's campaign. I have yet to see him make a political prediction that turned out to be true.

If that sociopathic powermonger gets in control, I'm emptying all my bank accounts, closing my business, and going somewhere else. Not all because of her, but if enough people are dumb or looting-minded enough to elect that bitch, it's a massive, sorry statement on the condition of the public, and the first major sign of a complete financial apocalypse.

My $.02

[Qwertz]

24 years of consecutive reign by only two family dynasties? Owch.

My $.02

And if Hillary gets elected, you can kiss $.018 of that goodbye.

-Q

[The Wrath]

While I agree that she is apocalyptically bad, making threats to leave the country just makes you sound like Alec Baldwin, who promised to leave if Bush was elected, then decided to stay. So, unless you really plan to leave, don't go around saying that you will.

At any rate, I would seriously consider leaving the country if she is elected, except that I don't think my fiancee (wife on March 10th:)) will be very keen on that. She's hesitant to even stay in Virginia for more than is absolutely necessary, because it's too far from her family in Ohio.

[LaszloWalrus]

Are there gulches in Ohio? You could retreat to one for a while.

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Edited October 5, 2006 by LaszloWalrus

[dark_unicorn]

While the odds of me bolting the country because Hillary gets elected are not high, I did get an offer from a friend in Chile if I did ever want to move some place else. It's an interesting prospect as I've read that they are closer to a free market and a more purified version of Constitutional Republicanism than we currently are. I'd like to pay my respects to Pinochet while there to, that guy pretty much defines and embodies patriotism.

Now as to Dick Morris predicting Hillary's victory, I'm inclined to agree with the Moose's original premise, this guy is a pure manifestation of short-sighted pragmatic thinking. Although we could argue that the principles of many Americans are not up to par with the ones held by most who post here, they do hold principles in contradiction to the nihilism of Hillary's ideology.

Edited October 5, 2006 by dark_unicorn

[The Wrath]

My thoughts on Dick Morris have nothing to do with ideology. He always makes these grandiose political predictions and they are always, without fail, WRONG.

Some choice examples:

1.) Kerry would choose Hillary as a running mate.

2.) Kerry would choose Gephardt as a running mate.

3.) Kerry would win the election.

4.) Condi would run in '08. He wrote an entire book based on this premise, after Condi had stated, categorically, that she would not run.

Of these, 2 and 3 are the only ones that are even remotely reasonable. Anybody who pays attention to politics should have been able to see that there was no evidence for 1 or 4.

Edited October 5, 2006 by Moose

[softwareNerd]

Consider this thought experiment: roll back to 2004 and assume that the legislature got elected as it did, but that Hillary or Kerry became president rather than Bush. What would have been the difference, in terms of the long-term effect on the U.S.? To me, Bush's presidency doesn't compare too well.

On the key issue of the day -- Iraq -- I'm not convinced that Bush's half-hearted fight is any better than a less half-hearted fight, or even a withdrawal. On things like Medicare, a Democrat president might have got away with less than a Republican one. On spending, Bush has been spending uncontrollably; I doubt a Democrat would have got away with it. On education, the "no child left behind" is worse than what we had before, because it diverts money to the under-achievers.

If one assumes that the legislature turns Democrat, then things look different; I'll concede that.

Regardless of legislature, I cannot see myself voting for McCain.

[The Wrath]

A poorly-fought war is better than a white flag. At least Bush recognizes that the war must be fought.

I'll grant you that Bush has had terrible domestic policies, but he is not openly socialist. It looks like we're going to have a Democratic Congress pretty soon. Give them the presidency too and the march towards socialized medicine will proceed at a level much faster than we've seen for a while. There are tons of other issues where the Democrats are apocalyptically worse than Republicans (affirmative action, welfare, labor unions, Walmart, etc.)

I don't trust Republicans to do much right, but I trust the Democrats to screw things up at a much faster rate. If the worst the Republicans do is put a ban on gay marriage, then I'll gladly accept them over the Democrats who want a socialist state.

With a war with Iran and a nuclear North Korea looming, the last thing I want is a government full of appeasers. On the movie-cowboy scale, George W. Bush would be a few points below Clint Eastwood and John Wayne. John Kerry, on the other hand, would be just below Marty McFly and Dr. Emmett Brown.

[softwareNerd]

A poorly-fought war is better than a white flag. At least Bush recognizes that the war must be fought.

I disagree. The war is being fought so poorly that it might lessen rather than increase people's resolve when we have a fight worth fighting, for instance against Iran.

I'll grant you that Bush has had terrible domestic policies, but he is not openly socialist.

Being openly socialist can be better than saying you're capitalist while enacting socialist-policies. One ends up with similar policies. One also ends up giving the free-market a bad name.

It looks like we're going to have a Democratic Congress pretty soon. Give them the presidency too and ...

I agree that I do not want to see Democrats control both the Presidency and the legislature. However, a Democrat house with McCain is President will probably be an equal, if not worse, disaster.

[The Wrath]

I disagree. The war is being fought so poorly that it might lessen rather than increase people's resolve when we have a fight worth fighting, for instance against Iran.

If we fought the war the way it should be fought, the war would be even more unpopular than it already is, simply because there would be massive numbers of civilian casualties.

Being openly socialist can be better than saying you're capitalist while enacting socialist-policies. One ends up with similar policies.

This is very true. However...though Bush may support some socialist-leaning policies, they are nothing compared with what you would see with Hillary Clinton. Hell, Pelosi is already hiking the minimum wage by $2 as soon as she takes over the House...that's just a small taste of what the left-wing of the Democratic party has in store if they take over.

One also ends up giving the free-market a bad name.I agree that I do not want to see Democrats control both the Presidency and the legislature. However, a Democrat house with McCain is President will probably be an equal, if not worse, disaster.

I have nothing at all positive to say about John McCain, so I will not defend him. But I have less negative to say about him than I do about Hillary Clinton.

The only reason I could even consider voting for Hillary is that this country would get screwed up so fast, that it might shock the country into saving itself. If we let this country die a slow death, most people won't notice until it's too late. If it gets screwed up fast enough, people might notice in time.

Even having said that, I don't think I could stomach a vote for Hillary Clinton. If the race is between her and McCain, I will probably not vote. If Giuliani runs, I will probably vote for him. I know he isn't the ideal candidate, but he is exponentially better than the other 2.

Edited October 6, 2006 by Moose

[softwareNerd]

If we fought the war the way it should be fought, the war would be even more unpopular than it already is, simply because there would be massive numbers of civilian casualties.

IA correct execution of the war does not necessarily mean more civilian causalities. (But, that would be a separate thread --- and we have a few of those already )

As for the tough decision of whether Hillary or McCain is more disgusting, we'll agree to disagree, and move on!

[bobsponge]

While I agree that she is apocalyptically bad, making threats to leave the country just makes you sound like Alec Baldwin, who promised to leave if Bush was elected, then decided to stay. So, unless you really plan to leave, don't go around saying that you will.

At any rate, I would seriously consider leaving the country if she is elected...

I already live on a sailboat, and already have my ducks in a row. Just watching for the axe to be tipped so I can miss it when it falls. I don't lightly state that I'll leave.

-bob

[lombas]

I hope Dick Morris is wrong.

Communists should be banned to the Federal Republic of Micronesia.

[The Wrath]

Considering that I have never seen him make a correct prediction, I tend to believe that he is wrong.

[gags]

She and her disgusting husband are fairly astute politically. They have mastered the art of taking the other side's issues away and adopting them as their own. It won't surprise me a bit if she wins.

[The Wrath]

I would be surprised if she won. She is the most divisive figure in American politics today...even moreso than Bush. McCain and Giuliani, on the other hand, are almost universally respected among Americans.

[mweiss]

Are there gulches in Ohio? You could retreat to one for a while.

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Which brings to mind, where will rational people go when America turns into an explicit, unabashed dictatorship?

There are no undiscovered islands left that are inhabitable. There are no other free countries. Perhaps somewhere in Asia may be tolerable, but I don't see us enjoying the same level of freedom and comfort. And when the USA falls, the rest of the world will probably decay rapidly as well. This is a scary situation, because it's not one that can be remedied by simply leaving the country.

[The Wrath]

There are a number of countries that are freer than this one, and that are not on the path to totalitarianism.

Australia, Ireland, Britain, Denmark, and South Korea come to mind. They all have their flaws, but they aren't decaying as fast as this country.

[gags]

I would be surprised if she won. She is the most divisive figure in American politics today...even moreso than Bush. McCain and Giuliani, on the other hand, are almost universally respected among Americans.

Of course both McCain and Giuliani will have a very difficult and expensive time winning the Republican pres. primary. Hillary, on the other hand, is a shoe-in for the Dem. nominee. She is also quite good at raising $$. I expect her to have almost unlimited cash on hand for this race. On top of that, the popular media have been paving the way for her candidacy for years. You combine these factors with the way she refuses to take a real position on controversial issues (Iraq for example) so as to avoid offending parts of the electorate, and it's not too hard to see her winning.

At that point, look out. She is a hard core leftist with a vindictive streak a mile wide.

[softwareNerd]

The one thing that Hillary has against her is that she can probably galvanised the GOP base better than any GOP candidate. Therefore, her candidacy for the Democrats strengthens the position of someone like McCain who can't turn out the GOP base on his own.

[The Wrath]

Of course both McCain and Giuliani will have a very difficult and expensive time winning the Republican pres. primary. Hillary, on the other hand, is a shoe-in for the Dem. nominee.

But one of them will win. I don't see a 3rd viable Republican. Whoever wins will have a big advantage over Hillary.

[DarkWaters]

However, I think Hillary would be very likely to be the liberal Richard Nixon. If she is elected, don't be surprised to see her use the CIA and the IRS to go after her political enemies.

What are you basing this on Moose?